Posts by scholar

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ATTENTION: 587/607 Buffs..

by deaconbluez in

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how would you answer this:.

"it's simple: we know there was a 70-year exile, and that that the jews returned in 537bce.

so 537bce minus 70 years equals 607bce!

This simple calculation by the celebrated WT scholars cannot be refuted by either apostates who support the Jonsson hypothesis or higher critics. This simple calculation harmonizes all of the available biblical and secular data and highlights the simple fact that the seventy years of Judah were a period of servitude, exile and desolation of the land. We can be supremely confident on the basis of scripture and secular evidence that the Fall of Jerusalem beginning the seventy year period occurred in 607 BCE.

scholar JW

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

scholar

Jeffro

Post 1569

Read modern history that deals with the Great War and the chronology/theology of the Gentile Times. Examine the manner yourself for it is all their before you or do I have to spoon-feed you.

Paranoia is the trait of apostates who have nothing better to do with their time then to ridicule the Lord's people and his work. We are to busy getting onwith the job to be bothered with such nonsense.

Yes your good news is simply an agenda of doing nothing, living an empty life with no love, faith or hope like the rest of Christendom.

scholar JW

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

scholar

aniron

Post 826

Even our staunchest critics pay homage to our use of the Bible, no-one can seriously deny that our teachings are Bible based free from human traditions and creeds.

Yes the mere citation by itself is no proof but we invite the reader to examine those texts and cross check with other cited texts. So, the proof is there for all to use and prove. This is Heremeneutics at its best. Circular reasoning is a fallacyand used by those who lack any intellectual compass in order to remove any idea of Truth.

scholar JW

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

scholar

aniron

Post 825

At this time I am unable to provide a list of as you say the mysterious group of 'celebrated WT scholars'.

No blindfold but simply the Bible and clear thinking ability with its power of reason. Don't you love it?

scholar JW

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

scholar

Jeffro

Post 1568

Apostates are scared of scholar because he skilfully defends WT chronology knowing full well that his apology can be helpful to those 'weak in faith', having doubt sowed in their minds by such deceivers. Scholar is helpful.

Your model is simply an interpretation biased in favour of Neo-Babylonian chronology with the illusion of being Bible-based. It simply an opinion and falls on the sword of the 'seventy years' which corrects the data by twenty years. Also, it false to history as it does not accurately with the reign of Jehoiakim and his vassalage to Nebuchadnezzer amongst many other things. Be aware of scholar's maxim;

Poor history=Poor chronology

scholar JW

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

scholar

Jeffro

Post 1567

Your chart does help you either because it is full of errors despite the fact that I liked the layout and format of data.

According to your scheme you have two seventy year periods; seventy years of Babylonian domination and seventy years of denunciation whereas the Bible's clear testimony along with Josephus is that there was one definite historical period of seventy years of exile, servitude and desolation.

scholar JW

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

scholar

Jeffro

Post 1566

You know very well that our teachings are Bible -based because Bible texts are frequently cited in our literature and public preaching and teaching. The proof is in the pudding so to speak and cannot be denied.

You ask for veriable dates so I provide FOUR dates : 607 BCE, 539 BCE, 537 BCE and 1914 CE. How good is that ?

October in 1914 saw the world caught up in World War 1 which was the direct result of Satan;s expulsion to earth and the birth of the Kingdom. It is accepted therefore gu many thinkers that this changed the world forever and was the most significant year in modern history.

I submit the following texts to prove that the seventy years was exilic: Jeremiah 25:11; 29:10 and the book of Lamentations for starters. Wanna play?

scholar JW

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

scholar

Lady Liberty

Post 1987

The WT writers have simply inserted a date by means of a bracket to alert the reader to the correct date. Simple as that. No deceit or trickery here except in your own mind.

If you are truly honest and really believed in your accusation of deceit then honesty and integrity would have compelled you to put this matter to the Society for an explanation. Your refusal to do proves that you lack integrity. Good riddance !!!

scholar JW

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

scholar

Lady Liberty

Post 1986

What those Bible Students were teaching was that 1914 would see the end of the Gentile Times and that has since been well established. It is true that such an understanding of matters also attracted certain speculations about the significance of that year that in fact did not materialize such as the end of the world.How one views such matters in the light of history and Bible prophecy is a matter of personal faith and choice and I do not believe that unfulfilled expectations are an error or failure but rather are expressions of faith and hope in God's promises for His people and mankind.

It is not a matter of decieit or 'sanitization' as these are the traits of apostates who have no interest in God;s purposes or promises for the future. Their only agenda is to ridicule and destroy people's faith in the KINGDOM. Our history or Christian heritage is there for all to see, read and research so there is no need to hide anything, mistakes or errors are part of imperfect people and an imperfect Church but the Lord has chosen imperfect, humble ones to do His will during these last days, the time of the Great Harvest.

When you have a good news, gospel or mission then you can criticize. If you are truly a Christian then how are you carrying out the Great Commission?

scholar JW

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

scholar

mavie

Post 562

The fundamental difference between WT chronologists and secular chronologists is that the former give prioroty to the Bible as the innspired Word of God whereas the latter allow higher criticism to put the Bible aside and pay 'lip service' to its testimony. There will always be a conflict between secular records and the Bible record so one must choose which record is the most reliable and accurate especially when it comes to history and chronology.

Celebrated WT scholars as with the rest of the scholarly community are interested in the progress of knowledge particularly in relation to the Bible and as new research comes to light which causes adjustments or confirmation of current practice then such research is utilized for the benefit of all peoples. Over many decades WT scholars have found it necessary to adjucst or 'fine-tune their chronology and this has also been the case with other chronologists. In short, the only difference between chronologists is the attitude to the Bible.

scholar JW