would you say that's the beginning of the end?
hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .
cognac
I am pleased to hear that your hubby is researching 607 BCE and no doubt he will find as I have done ober the last thirty years that this date is absolutelky correct harmonizing with the Bible and secular evidence. However, he needs to be aware of apostate propaganda which has foolishly tried to malign the biblical and secular evidence for this sacred, biblical date. If he has any questions on this matter I am able to help as I have studied this subject most thoroughly.
scholar JW
it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .
if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .
did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.
Leolaia
Post13427
So what if I repeat myself because the matter is quite obvious and that is the simple fact that Ezekiel simply confirms to his present audience in Babylon that after the report of the messenger that Jerusalem had fallen, Jehovah's declaration of the desolation of Judah through Jeremiah had already begun. The matter is obvious to all and your hypothesis is simply nonsense as all of the evidence confirms.
scholar JW
it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .
if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .
did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.
Leolaia
Post 134515
No, No, No! Ezekiel addresses his oracles to his fellow exiles in Babylon not to the Jews in Judah for they already had a prophet in Jeremiah. The prophecies of Ezekiel are certainly about Judah and confirmed as in the case of Ezeliel 33:23-29 that the land would certainly be devastated and it certainly became a fact by the month of October,607 BCE. Events moved very quickly from the time of the Fall of Jerusalem to the complete deportation of those remaining Jews who fled to Egypt before the beginning of the seventy years would begin to start in the seventh month.
Jehovah was true to his prophecies as proclaimed by Jeremiah and Daniel and later confirmed by Ezekiel and the fulfillment of those prophecies right on time even to the very month also proves that Jehovah is the great Timekeeper.
scholar JW
it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .
if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .
did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.
Leolaia
Post 13411
No, the message of Ezekiel was for the benefit of those exiles in Babylon and it contained an oracle which was addressed to those remaining Jews in the land who had not repented after seeing their city fall. In those few months of their habitation in the land they were reminded that the land had to become desolated and their eviction would occur. So it was by the time of October those Jewish fugitives had to leave the land and flee elsewhere. Please note that Ezekiel 33:25-29 contains the oracle involving those Jews who were still the land after the Fall until their eviction in October of that year, the previous report of the escapee is a separate event occurring after the oracle addressed to the inhabitants.
Answering the questioni is what scholar is all about.
scholar JW
it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .
if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .
did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.
bohm
Post 169
What I am saying is that their identity and qualifications are unknown and unknowable.
scholar JW
it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .
if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .
did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.
AnnOMaly
Post 1075
The audience whom Ezekiel addressed were his fellow exilees in Babylon who received news by means of that escapee or messenger that judgement against Jerusalem happened as foretold by Jeremiah thus by the time brought the news on the fifth day of the tenth month thus the seventy years would have already commenced on the seventh month, 607 BCE.
You all seem to ignore the simple fact as to the timing and the audience to which Ezekiel was concerned. It is not rocket science.
scholar JW
it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .
if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .
did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.
AnnOMaly
Post 1073
Hardly, the message was both relevant and pertinent to those exiles in Babylon. They at last now recieved by means of a fled escapee astonishing news that Jeremiah's long awaited propohecy had just or now been fulfilled proving that Jehovah is the great Timekeeper. Are you not thrilled about that? I am!
scholar JW
it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .
if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .
did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.
Narkissos
Post 9720
I think you are simply creating a problem for yourself in your own mind. The reaffirmation of Jeremiah's collective prophecy on the desolation of Judah in Ezekiel 33:27-29 which is given in a future tense simply illustrates the accomplished fact of the matter that land by that time had already lay in a state of utter desolation beginning in the seventh month (October 4/5) 607 BCE.
What you need to remember is the context, timing and audience of both the oracles of Jeremiah and Ezekiel and see the literary relationships between them. Ezekiel receives confirmation of Jeremiah's prophecy from a escapee who gives a thrilling eyewitness account then Ezekiel is now to convey that message to his audience along with that reaffirmation in vs 27-29. For further technical reading on this subject you may wish to consult Leslie C. Allen in his commentary on Ezekiel- WBC 29, Ezekiel 20-48, 1990, pp.149-154.
scholar JW
it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .
if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .
did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.
bohm
Post 163
I cannot help you with the identity and qualifications of the 'celebrated WT scholars'. You mention Rolf Furuli of Norway and he would by your own admission belong to this group as he is both a Witness and scholar but in this respect I cannot say. There are many other Witnesses who are of calibre of Furuli and are known to me but even these may not be of this group so as with the NWT Committee the identity of which must remain unknown and unknowable.
What is more important for you is to study the Bible and the publications of the faithful and discreet slave so that you will become wise and full of understanding.
scholar JW
it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .
if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .
did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.
jeanniebeanz
The reason why there is an endless fascination with this subject is because of its relationship to the accuracy of WT Bible Chronology and Eschatology. Apostates believe that this is a weakness in the Bible teachings of the Witnesses due to the so called 'research' by Carl Jonsson and his associates. However, WT chronology has been proven to accurate and faithful to the Sciptures on many counts and there is no better ezample of this fact than the subject of the 'seventy years' which establlishes with profound certainty the beginning of the Gentile Times in 607 BCE and ending in 1014 CE
scholar JW
