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  Need help disproving 607BCE

  by 2pink in

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  i hope i am posting in the right board.. anyway, i am newly out of the org, and have a dear friend who i've been speaking to all along about my thought process/decisions.

  she has been hesitantly receptive (how's that for confusing?!

  lol) and when i brought up 607bce to her yesterday, she was truly intrigued and had not heard of this as a false date before.. she is still half in/half out, so i know she isn't going to do a lot of naughty independent research on her own.

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  2pink

  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there is no evidence either biblical or secular that has disproved the validity of 607 BCE. I have been studying this subject for nearly forty years and have read all published attempts to dissprove 607 BCE only to find that on a critical analysis none of these attempts have succeeded. The most recent attempt has been by Carl Jonsson who has acquired a reputation of being a competent chronologist has claimed in his most recent work that there are at least seventeen lines of evidence that disprove 607 BCE. However, competent biblical scholars have shown that such a claim is fanciful and is not supported by either the biblical or secular evidence.

  This does not mean that 607 BCE or any other date is not capable of being falsified but at this point in time there is simply no evidence that disproves the validity of 607 BCE for the Fall of Jerusalem.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  Leolaia

  Post 13694

  Thank you for this copy of a recent review of Furuli and the comments on Babylonian-Persian chronology. I will forward a copy of this information or at least notify Furuli as to the source.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

  Post 1136

  Therefore let us leave criticisms of Furuli's theisis to those experts. Let the experts speak.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  Leolaia

  Post 13684

  Furuli has submitted both volumes for peer review. He has received a favourable and a unfavorable review to his first volume and is awaiting a review for his second volume which is some two years in process.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

  Post 1133

  My upinion of your expertise or lack thereof is based on the simple fact that you will not deal directly with Furuli about your criticisms of his thesis. This means that your opinion lacks credibility. Your reluctance to participate constitute 'facts' as far as I am concerned.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  Leolaia

  Post 13682

  Furuli by his own published admission is not an expert in ancient astroonomy.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

  Post 1131

  Yes you are a pretend amareur if you like. The very fact that you refuse to pursue your findings with Furuli proves the matter entirely. Astro programa are availabel to all but if you are going to engage in serious discussion then at the very least your should know what you are talking about and you have demonstrated that you are incompetent in this field. There is a big differenc between learning to operate a astro-program and to interpret that data within the context of ancient astronomy and that is where you fail.

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  Do the celestial positions on BM 33478 help to prove Artaxerxes I's 20th year was 455 BCE? (For 'scholar')

  by AnnOMaly in

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  this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.

  background.

  for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.

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  Leolaia

  Post 13670

  My proposal consiisted of 4 points but mainly ureger to list her fundamental citticisms, write to Furuli about these matters, providing me with copies of her letter and reply from Furuli and any information from Jonsson if relevant to the points raised.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

  Any use of a astroprogram and the interpretation of the data is dependent on the knowledge of the subject and is best left to professionals rather than pretend amateurs. I have no confidence in your use of such programs and the interpretation of the data.

  It is not the point that your agenda is giving false information to conform to an 'apostate' viewpoint but whether you are competent in the matters that you are commenting on and I see evidence of your competence. Furuli on the other hand demonstrates competence insuch matters and that commands my attaention.

  Learning how to operate a astro program does not qualify one to be critical of anothers's use of such programs but rather it is the understanding of the subject that is more important.

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  Do the celestial positions on BM 33478 help to prove Artaxerxes I's 20th year was 455 BCE? (For 'scholar')

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.

  background.

  for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.

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  Leolaia

  Post 13665

  I submitted a reasonable proposal to Ann in regard to the comparison of Furuli's thesis with an accepted astro-program but she refused to cooperate with me preferring to simply make a lot of noise anout the matter on this forum. If Ann accepts my proposal or we agree on a different proposal then I am quite happy to engage in research and debate on this subject. Perhaps you can persuade her to cooperate with me.

  scholar JW