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  For those who researched 607...

  by AwSnap in

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  did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

  if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

  or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

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  OUTLAW

  Post 14431

  The date 607 BCE is not proved by WT publications alone but is proved by what the Bible states as fact which is then expressed in those faithful WT publications.

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  The Only Real "Take" You Can Have on the Date of Jerusalems Destruction

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  i have a new take on the 587/586 "controversy".

  this is of course, speaking for me over 3 years after i left.

  i realize that if you are first leaving, this is a big deal.

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  AllTimeJeff

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  You addressing the wrong crowd with your concerns with dates for it is the apostates that make a big deal over dating or certain dates. The WTS and its 'ce;ebrated' WT scholars have simply provided for the faithful and the public what the Bible really teaches on matters of history, prophecy and chronology. This now accurate informatioin loyally upholds the Bible as God's inspired Word rather than the lying prpaganda, demonic attacks on the Bible by higher critics and other opposers which has as its sole objective to destroy the faith, missiion, love and unity of the Lord's people and His Organization.

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  For those who researched 607...

  by AwSnap in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

  if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

  or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

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  garyneal

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  Your two questions simply of biblical data essential in the construction of biblical chronology which in turn proves the validity of 607 BCE. These two biblical facts however are a big problem for those wordly scholars and apostates who try to prove 587 or 596 BCE.

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  For those who researched 607...

  by AwSnap in

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  did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

  if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

  or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

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  garyneal

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  For starters it is the 'seventy year' prophecy of Jeremiah which must be factored into any biblical chronology and is not treated seriously by wordly scholars and apostates.

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  For those who researched 607...

  by AwSnap in

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  did you use wt dates as well as things found from a secular perspective?

  if a witness was researching the 607 dates strictly from watchtower info, would it still become clear they are wrong?

  or does the wtbs *make* the dates add up...?

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  AwSnap

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  I have been researching WT chronology for the last forty years by means of the WT publications and have found that 607 BCE is correct further I have thoroughly examined the date in the light of all available secular evidence and NB chronology and found that there is sufficient support for 607 BCE despite the twenty year gap and the failure to acccommodate the biblical seventy years.

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  Daniel 9:2.... 70 years question

  by digderidoo in

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  sorry to rehash an old topic.. in the first year of his reign, i, daniel, understood from the scriptures, according to the word of the lord given to jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of jerusalem would last seventy years.

  daniel is clearly speaking of jeremiah 25, but here he speaks of the desolation of jerusalem, rather than a babylonian dominance of jeremiah.. so how does daniel fit in with a 587/6 date for the destruction of jerusalem and the dominance of the babylonian empire refered to in jeremiah?.

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  Ann OMaly

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  You are right, my wife thinks that I too am slow and a bit thick.

  Scholar has no interest in responding to Lar's nonsense.

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  Daniel 9:2.... 70 years question

  by digderidoo in

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  sorry to rehash an old topic.. in the first year of his reign, i, daniel, understood from the scriptures, according to the word of the lord given to jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of jerusalem would last seventy years.

  daniel is clearly speaking of jeremiah 25, but here he speaks of the desolation of jerusalem, rather than a babylonian dominance of jeremiah.. so how does daniel fit in with a 587/6 date for the destruction of jerusalem and the dominance of the babylonian empire refered to in jeremiah?.

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  Alwayshere

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  Your facts are all over the place and shows that you do not understand chronology nor what the WTS has written on the subject. The comment in the Isaiah commentary, Vol.1, p.253 refers to Tyre's period of domination by Babyllon for a period of seventy years. This has no direct bearing on the interpretation of Jeremiah's seventy years prophecy directed to Judah. The only direct implication is one of context wherein Judah along with other nations were to serve Babylon for seventy years and in respect of Judah this was a period of servitude-exile-desolation from the Fall of Jerusalem until the Return.

  The respective reganal years of Nebuchadnezzer is simply explained by the simple fact that Nebuchadnezzer had an accession year followed by his regnal year which accommodates the reference to his 18th and 19th year. This means that there is no problem with his first year or acc. year being counted from 624 BCE and his 18th regnal year ending in 607 BCE. Please consult Insight On the Scriptures, Vol.2. p.481 for a more detailed explanation of the matter.

  Your use of 609 BCE for the beginning of the 70 years is bogus for the simple reason that nothing of historic significance happened in that year that would serve as a time marker for the beginning of that most momentous event in Jewish history, the seventy years.

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  Daniel 9:2.... 70 years question

  by digderidoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry to rehash an old topic.. in the first year of his reign, i, daniel, understood from the scriptures, according to the word of the lord given to jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of jerusalem would last seventy years.

  daniel is clearly speaking of jeremiah 25, but here he speaks of the desolation of jerusalem, rather than a babylonian dominance of jeremiah.. so how does daniel fit in with a 587/6 date for the destruction of jerusalem and the dominance of the babylonian empire refered to in jeremiah?.

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  digderrido

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  Paul

  Like Daniel who wrote that famous reference in Daniel 9:2 to Jeremiah's prophecies concerning the devastation of Jerusalem and Judah for seventy years in Jeremiah 25: 9-11 and 29:10 you have truly used discernment. Apostates such as Alan Fuerbacher and Carl Jonsson have not shown that same discernment but have peddled the false notion that Daniel's reference only applied to Jeremiah 29:10 where it is further claimed that Daniel was simply referring to the desolations of Jerusalem would only end when the seventy years for Babylon has ceased. Such a mistaken view is simply promoted to support the false dates of 586/587 BCE for the destruction of Jerusalem according to Neo-Babylonian chronology.

  Therefore on the basis of Daniel 9:2 which provides an additional proof of the fact that the seventy years was a period not of Babylonian domination but rather of a fixed historic period of desolation-servitude-exile provides clear and overwhelming evidence in support of 607 BCE for the destruction of Jerusalem. A clear and accurate understanding of the seventy years is the only reliable method of calculating the destruction of Jerusalem and Judah and not the listing of regnal years for the Neo-Babylonian period which clearly presents a twenty years gap between secular and biblical chronology.

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  Need help disproving 607BCE

  by 2pink in

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  i hope i am posting in the right board.. anyway, i am newly out of the org, and have a dear friend who i've been speaking to all along about my thought process/decisions.

  she has been hesitantly receptive (how's that for confusing?!

  lol) and when i brought up 607bce to her yesterday, she was truly intrigued and had not heard of this as a false date before.. she is still half in/half out, so i know she isn't going to do a lot of naughty independent research on her own.

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  Leolaia

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  I have already told you that the 'rot'started in 1935 according to DOTHB wherein it dicussess the unity of Ezra, Nehemiah, 1 and 2 Chronicles perhaps we are talking about a different matter.

  I believe that whatever the direction a consensus is moving the fatc of the matter is that scholars are now lookiing more closely at this slice of Judean history and I believe that the research thus far is encouraging for our interpretation of the nature of that period. What has been discovered is the existence of a 'gap' in civilization between the Babylonian destruction and the Persian period according to Stern and Stager. Such a 'gap' proves that the land was completely desolated according Bible prophecy.

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  Need help disproving 607BCE

  by 2pink in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope i am posting in the right board.. anyway, i am newly out of the org, and have a dear friend who i've been speaking to all along about my thought process/decisions.

  she has been hesitantly receptive (how's that for confusing?!

  lol) and when i brought up 607bce to her yesterday, she was truly intrigued and had not heard of this as a false date before.. she is still half in/half out, so i know she isn't going to do a lot of naughty independent research on her own.

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  Doug Mason

  Post 739

  1. Hardly, it seems that in reading the literature on this subject it is only the WTS that give a definitive date for the Return in 537 BCE.

  2. Agreed. The Seventy years began right on time to the very month and ended on time at that very month.

  3. Well hope does spring eternal and it is a fine Christian virtue to have. History is always hopeful as it is never complete so scholars and historians have to fill the holes or gaps as it were. In any event there is sufficient evidence for the establishment of 537 BCE which is more secure than any other date offered. The Insight articles certainly prove the matter much better than anything else.

  4. Regardless of politics all of the people were caught up in events beyond their control and were forced to flee the land leaving it completely depopulated in 607 BCE for the countdown of the seventy years.

  5. Jeremiah gave a formula period. It described the nature of the seventy years thus providing clear markers for identifying the beginning and end of the seventy years . As I have argued before it is impossible for the seventy years to end with the Fall of Babylon because the Jews were still exiled.

  6. Yes but is your reading of archaeology current? Does it include current research in the Myth of an Empty Land ?

  7. Historiography as a tool must be used selectively for it is a product of man's thinking and if it contradicts God's Word then it must be abandoned.

  scholar JW