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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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Jeffro

The fact that some things they expected to happen didn’t happen isn’t evidence that it will happen at a later time. They were just wrong.

It’s also amusing that you recognise that the ‘celestial’ signs were supposed to happen after the ‘tribulation’ but ignore the fact that Jesus’ presence is supposed to happen after those ‘signs’.

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Events that are expected come at the appropriate time and not the time of our choosing and the events that did occur give us confidence that future, expected events will occur at the appointed time.

Jesus' presence or Parousia is described by many events which proved that he was present marked by its definite beginning as King ruling from the appointed time of 1914 CE to be climaxed by the Great Tribulation with the coming of the Son of Man for such events are built on the earlier fulfilment of prophecies or signs pertaining to Jerusalem. In short, the events of the First century in response to that first of three questions undergo the future fulfilment relating to Jesus' answer to the two questions in Matt. 24:3.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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Jeffro

And 1914 is not there. It is only there to those who are willing to accept a man-made organization's convoluted assumption based non-scholarly speculations. And that's the truth.

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Luke 21:24 with its 'Gentile Times' puts 1914 right there in the centre of Lukan Eschatology and it is there because one can easily discern the dual application of the Olivet Discourse based on a literal fulfilment in the first century then telescoping into a much larger and future fulfilment characteristic of events evident from 1914 CE.nicely described by A.T Robertson as a painting with the artist by skilful perspective gives varying views. Refer Word Pictures In New Testament, Vol 1, pp.187-8, 1930, Broadman Press,Nashville, Tennessee.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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Vanderhoven7

And 1914 is not there. It is only there to those who are willing to accept a man-made organization's convoluted assumption based non-scholarly speculations. And that's the truth.

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False for 1914 is right there at the very centre of the Olivet Discourse by means of the 'Gentile Times' in Luke 21:24 and the very fact of the Parousia and its theological significance. The book of Revelation with the Four Horsemen which nicley parallel those significant events discussed earlier in the Olivet Discourse with such a Revelation of future things come in the 'Lord's Day which began in 1914 CE

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

scholar

Jeffro

provide scriptural backing for the JW notion that the ‘great tribulation’ occurs after Jesus’ presence begins.

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Too easy. The structure of the narrative as recorded in the Olivet Discourse shows that the timing of the Great Tribulation is associated with the ;chosen ones' so it would appear that such an activity including that there would be false prophets that would attempt to mislead those same chosen ones would occur not at the beginning of the Parousia but rather towards the end of the Parousia.

Scholar triumphs again!!

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

scholar

Vanderhoven 7

You have not addressed the following issue in those pericopes about the sign of the Son of Man and its accompanying events.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

scholar

Jeffro

5 days of ‘scholar’ spouting nonsense. But JW teachings about 1914 remain obviously false.
What Does the Bible Really Teach
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Your little summaries contain nonsense for such are easily refuted. LOL!!
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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

scholar

Vanderhoven 7

The synoptics support that the great tribulation Jesus spoke about would be an unrepeatable local event.

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Nonsense for the Synoptics show otherwise that there was both a minor and major fulfilment as the following proves:

Each one of the Synoptics show the following pericope that immediately after those events that there would be celestial events accompanying the appearance of the Son of Man which clearly did not occur in the first century with the events at the time of Jerusalem's destruction.

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Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

by BoogerMan in

the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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waton

that is made up wt bunk.

According to Jeremiah, the new covenant is not more restrictive but broader, no chapter and verses, just forgiveness of sin. for all comers. Christ came to buy back that was lost, for all.

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The membership of the New Covenant was and is restrictive as to the quality and quantity of its members or those specially anointed to be of that class of people forming a Spiritual Israel of 144,000.

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What Ended in 1914?

by BoogerMan in

1913!.

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BoogerMan

To assist you in this question as to the nature and extent of a foreigner's or foreign resident's participation in the Law Covenant, I recommend that you read the article FOREIGNER in Aid to Bible Understanding, pp.593-4 or alternatively the Insight volume which are both available on the jw.org website in the Library section under Books.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

scholar

Vanderhoven7

The 1914 parousia is bogus and spurious to scripture.

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This is your opinion. The fact of the matter is that 1914 marking the end of the Gentile times followed by the Parousia are elements of the Olivet Discourse which in total is Eschatology. Eschatology is a major part of the entire NT so before you dismiss the view of others you should have your own Eschatology and that seems to be missing from you so unless you have something to offer then you could learn from others who do have something to offer.

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And as I said, everything in Matthew 24:1-35 was fulfilled in the first century and that obviously includes verse 30.

It also includes the Jews who survived the first-century tribulation being deported into the surrounding nations. Luke 21:24

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You are correct here because Jesus' answer to His disciples featured a first-century fulfilment and its tribulation but His answer also pointed to the future or showed an eschatological focus which was further developed by the book of Revelation the activity of an eschatological Church of the anointed remnant.

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The question is, does the text allow for dual fulfilment. Will the Jews be deported once again? And the answer is a definite no.

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Again, this is simply your opinion. The Olivet Discourse contains an answer from the Master to three questions from His disciples and it is only the first question that applies to the first century in connection with the Jewish Temple. the latter questions and answers clearly point to a future time -eschatological as recognized by many commentators.

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