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  Hubby is Researching 607...

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

  Post 1102

  The twenty year gap has been proved by means of biblical chronology and this has been ably researched by Rolf Furuli and invites criticism from all those qualified to do so. I have read with interest your debates with Furuli and others on this subject and at every turn your criticisms have been dealt with. If you are such an authority on the subject then why not have your research published in a respected journal or is it simply fact that you are not a expert in ancient astronomy?

  In regard to the twenty year gap it is what the Bible has to say on this matter is more important than what scientific opinion in the field of ancient astronomy has to say on this matter and that should be the primary focus.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  AnnOMaly

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  Your comments are ludicrous. When the going gets tough the apostates blame the Bible. You and your cronies have no idea of a precise date for the Fall of Jerusalem and until you can establish a precise date then you have no business in dismissing 607 BCE. The celebrated WT scholars have for many decades proved a precise date for the Fall and that is 607 BCE and this has been done using the same biblical data that you are whining about. Do not blame the Bible for your incompetence. When you and others find the correct date then you are in a position to becritical of other proposals.

  By the way serious scholars do not accept 587 BCE but rather prefer 586 BCE so you misrepresent scholarship when you claim that 587 BCE has been established via the secular records. This is utter nonsense as you well know.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  Prov1320

  Post 65

  I am not interested in writing up a long list of references or Bibliography or sources because much of what I have stated is well substantiated either in scholarly literature. WT publications. the Bible itself and Josephus. The compiling of such a list of sources is far too time consuming but I am happy to provide such only if it is absolutely if the inquirer has already done some 'legwork' Scholar is not for lazy people and expects others to work hard at chronology as he has done for these past thirty years.

  Much of what I have stated is well known and accepted as common knowledge in ancient history, chronology and archaeology eg, the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE and the other events are well described in the Bible itself such as Jeremiah, Daniel, Kings etc.

  Point 4 is not about circular reasoning but simply demonstrates that an interpretation can be derived from dated events in biblical history coinciding with the fulfilment of prophecy culminating as a derived date in a modern context. The validity of 1914 is well validated by the foundation of 607 BCE and its attenuating circumstances of the end of Judean Monarchy, the reality of God's Kingdom as described by Daniel and the rise and develoipment of Gentile World Powers.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  Albert Einstein

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  I hope the following reply helps you:

  The only secular historian that supports 607 BCE in a indirect sense is that of the ancient Jewish historian Josephus whose presentation of the seventy years is identical to that of the cedlebrated WT scholars. Rolf Furuli is a modern scholar whose published research on chronology and ancient history supports 607 BCE. However, there is also no modern historian who knows the precise year for the Fall of Jerusalem because they all vacillate between 587 or 586 BCE.

  One recently published work on chronology supports 607 BCE and that is Rolf Furuli's volumes on Ancient Chronologies.

  A Babylonian list of rulers and their reigns is fraught with problems so and agreement as to details is impossible but there are many reference works that have various proposals for your attention.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  cognac

  Post 2107

  There are a number of things that must be said in relation to the subject of the date 607's accuracy and superiority over the other dates proposed for the Fall of Jerusalem.

  1. The date 607 BCE is a precise calculation for the Fall whereas other dates are imprecise i.e no precise date is agreed. Serious scholars propose 586, apostaes and other WT critics propose 587. So, where we are definite on the matter right to the very month the others are 'fuzzy' on this matter.

  2, The date 607 BCE is based on the historical record of the Bible, utilizes regnal data from secular chronologies and other secular historians such as Josephus.

  3. The date 607 BCE exposes the twenty year gap in Neo-Babylonian chronology as recently proved in the research by Rolf Furuli in his two volume published work on Neo-Babylonian, Persian, Assyrian Chronology.

  4. The date 607 BCE validates the Bible as a book of prophecy in connection with the Gentile Times ending in 1914 CE beginning the installation of God's Kingdom in our time.

  5. The date 607 BCE restores and focuses attention on the fulfillment of prophecy in connection with Judah, Jerusalem and its Temple.

  6. The date 607 BCE validates the historicity of the 'seventy years' which in contrast has been 'buried' by secular chronologies.

  7. The date 607 BCE exposes the imperfection of Neo-Babyloian chronology and history/

  8. The date 607 BCE has a simple methodology as to its computation and is firmly based on several lines of evidence:

  The Decree of Cyrus and the Return of the Jews in 537 BCE

  Seventy years of desolation, servitude to Babylonian rule, exile in Babylon all confirmed by Josephus

  Destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzer in his 18th regnal year and in Zedekiah's 11 th regnal year

  These three facts are described in the Bible, confirmed by secular evidence and Josephus agrees with this triangulation of biblical and historical data

  9. The date 607 BCE utilizes a universally agreed absolute date by scholars that is the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE whereas other conflicting secular chronologies have no universal absolute date for their computation.

  10. The date 607 BCE is based on a simple methodology which is an 'event-based' methodology in contast to other secular chronologies which are 'regnal-based creating numerous technical problems of calendation.

  The above list is by no means exhaustive but illustrates the superioity of 607 BCE over all of the other proposed dates of which there are many. Now sit back and watch the 'feathers fly' as the apostates 'beat' themselves over the brilliant scholarship of the 'celebrated WT scholars' whose humble research glorifies Jehovah and His Word and is greatly appreciated by 'scholar'.

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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  cognac

  I am pleased to hear that your hubby is researching 607 BCE and no doubt he will find as I have done ober the last thirty years that this date is absolutelky correct harmonizing with the Bible and secular evidence. However, he needs to be aware of apostate propaganda which has foolishly tried to malign the biblical and secular evidence for this sacred, biblical date. If he has any questions on this matter I am able to help as I have studied this subject most thoroughly.

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  The WTS's start of the "70 years"

  by Doug Mason in

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  it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .

  if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .

  did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.

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  Leolaia

  Post13427

  So what if I repeat myself because the matter is quite obvious and that is the simple fact that Ezekiel simply confirms to his present audience in Babylon that after the report of the messenger that Jerusalem had fallen, Jehovah's declaration of the desolation of Judah through Jeremiah had already begun. The matter is obvious to all and your hypothesis is simply nonsense as all of the evidence confirms.

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  The WTS's start of the "70 years"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .

  if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .

  did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.

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  Leolaia

  Post 134515

  No, No, No! Ezekiel addresses his oracles to his fellow exiles in Babylon not to the Jews in Judah for they already had a prophet in Jeremiah. The prophecies of Ezekiel are certainly about Judah and confirmed as in the case of Ezeliel 33:23-29 that the land would certainly be devastated and it certainly became a fact by the month of October,607 BCE. Events moved very quickly from the time of the Fall of Jerusalem to the complete deportation of those remaining Jews who fled to Egypt before the beginning of the seventy years would begin to start in the seventh month.

  Jehovah was true to his prophecies as proclaimed by Jeremiah and Daniel and later confirmed by Ezekiel and the fulfillment of those prophecies right on time even to the very month also proves that Jehovah is the great Timekeeper.

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  The WTS's start of the "70 years"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .

  if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .

  did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.

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  Leolaia

  Post 13411

  No, the message of Ezekiel was for the benefit of those exiles in Babylon and it contained an oracle which was addressed to those remaining Jews in the land who had not repented after seeing their city fall. In those few months of their habitation in the land they were reminded that the land had to become desolated and their eviction would occur. So it was by the time of October those Jewish fugitives had to leave the land and flee elsewhere. Please note that Ezekiel 33:25-29 contains the oracle involving those Jews who were still the land after the Fall until their eviction in October of that year, the previous report of the escapee is a separate event occurring after the oracle addressed to the inhabitants.

  Answering the questioni is what scholar is all about.

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  The WTS's start of the "70 years"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is my understanding that the scholars of the wts say that the "70 years" began when the land was "completely depopulated", not when jerusalem was destroyed.. .

  if that is the case, they should have jumped from their 537 bce date back to the removal of inhabitants during nebuchadnezzar's 23rd year, thus making that 607 (or 606) bce.. .

  did russell start the 70 years (and hence his 2520 years) with the destruction of jerusalem or with the depopulation of the land?.

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  bohm

  Post 169

  What I am saying is that their identity and qualifications are unknown and unknowable.

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