for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Jeffro
Notice how the inept so-called ‘scholar’ attempted to divert attention from the fact that there isn’t actually any time during Nebuchadnezzar's reign to place 7 years of inactivity.
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Notice how Jeffro avoids the fact that the NB Chronicles omit any mention of Neb's vacancy off the throne for a period of 7 years.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Jeffro
Peddling false hope by making superstitious claims, cherry picking, taking verses out of context, distorting the order of events, and dogmatically asserting things that are not stated in the Bible is not ‘superior Bible teaching’.
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You do not even believe in the Bible anyway and do not offer any alternative to its teachings and doctrines so until you have something to offer your ridicule amounts to nothing.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Jeffro
Poor ‘scholar’ still doesn’t understand the book of Daniel. So much for JWs being such great ‘Bible teachers’. 😂
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Poor Jeffro cannot answer a simple question but his online blog regards Dan. 4 as just story with no prophetic or historical significance.
Unlike you, JWs at least teach both publicly and privately as superior Bible teachers.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
ozziepost
G'day to you!
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Jeffro
Wrong as usual. There isn't even a suitable time during Nebuchadnezzar's reign to place 7 years of inactivity.
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OK So What was the significance and meaning of the 'seven times' applicable to Neb or is this also fiction or myth?
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Jeffro
It is true that 'the land of the Chaldeans' is still populated to this day and the 'prophecy' of Babylon's desolation—to the extent that it would remain uninhabited—was a failure. But Babylon's 70 years quite definitely ended when it was conquered by Persia in 539BCE. But thanks once again to 'scholar' (and Fisherman) for showing that JWs don't actually care what the Bible says when it contradicts their end-times dogma.-
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So if what you say about the prophecy of the 'land of Chaldeans' and of Babylon's destruction were not fulfilled so the prophecy about God's 'call to account the king of Babylon' also remained unfulfilled. Thus, according to your interpretation, the prophecy of Jer. 25:12 was a failure.
Babylon's 70 years could not have ended in 539 BCE for the conditions of its fulfilment were that Jeremiah's prophecy describing the 70 years was that there be a desolation of the land of Judah, a period of servitude to Babylon along with being an exile in Babylon. Clearly, these three specified conditions of the fulfilment of the 70 years were not met by the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE but only in 537 with the Return of the Jews
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
slimboyfat
thought the Watchtower position was that Nebuchadnezzar did go mad for seven years but that this also pictured a larger fulfilment spanning centuries. Are you saying that Nebuchadnezzar never really went mad at all
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Poor old Neb was in the looney bin for seven literal years learning a valuable lesson about God's Kingdom of both literal and figurative application.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Jeffro
🤣 what a farce.
Jeremiah 25:12: “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.
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Not so for it is a theological and historical reality concerning the end of the 70 years of desolation in 537 BCE.
Jeremiah 25: 12 clearly proves that the judgement against Babylon began only after the 70 years had ended which could only have been with the release of Jews under Cyrus' Decree in 537 BCE as stated by the Chronicler.
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Daniel 5:26-30 simply foretold the Fall of Babylon which was in 539 BCE and proceeded the eventual judgement against Babylon as foretold by Jeremiah in 25:12.
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Sanchy
I have read it carefully. Your claim regarding a second fulfillment still holds no water. Sorry.
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I am sorry too that from your careful reading of Daniel 4 you did not discern its dual fulfilment. Now you have a big problem because I assume that you believe that Neb's vacancy off the throne for seven literal years was a historic fact or it simply did not happen but if it did happen how come there is no account of such a seven-year gap in the NB Chronicles?
scholar JW
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Beth Sarim
Just read the ''Gentile Times Reconsidered'' by Carl Olaf Jonson,
Just read it.
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The said scholar has not only read it from cover to cover but he has studied it.
scholar JW
