by slimboyfat 362 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
‘scholar’:
Unlike you, JWs at least teach both publicly and privately as superior Bible teachers.
Peddling false hope by making superstitious claims, cherry picking, taking verses out of context, distorting the order of events, and dogmatically asserting things that are not stated in the Bible is not ‘superior Bible teaching’.
‘scholar’:
OK So What was the significance and meaning of the 'seven times' applicable to Neb or is this also fiction or myth?
Notice how the inept so-called ‘scholar’ attempted to divert attention from the fact that there isn’t actually any time during Nebuchadnezzar's reign to place 7 years of inactivity.
‘scholar’:
Babylon's 70 years could not have ended in 539 BCE for the conditions of its fulfilment were that Jeremiah's prophecy describing the 70 years was that there be a desolation of the land of Judah, a period of servitude to Babylon along with being an exile in Babylon.
And, obviously he was also wrong again there too. Aside from the fact that Jeremiah explicitly defines the 70 years as a period during which the nations served Babylon rather than a period of Jewish exile, and that exile was only a punishment for refusing to serve Babylon “in their own land” (Jeremiah 27:8-11), and never mentioning ‘70 years of exile’ at all, Daniel and 2 Chronicles both unambiguously indicate when Babylon was ‘called to account’ by the Persians. Jeremiah further explicitly stated in chapter 29 that attention would be given to the Jews’ return only after Babylon’s 70 years had ended. Additionally, Jeremiah (29:10) and Daniel (9:2) both indicate that Jerusalem’s desolation would be complete (Strong’s H4390) at the end of 70 years, not that it was desolate for 70 years. And not to mention the fact that some parts of Judea actually remained populated throughout the whole period anyway (“The Babylonian Gap”, Ephraim Stern, Biblical Archaeology Review, 26:6, November/December 2000).
So much for ‘scholar’s’ ‘superior Bible teaching’. 😂
I just wonder what's going to happen ,,, should the Borg drop or dump the 607 - 1914 theology,,,,, in light of the evidence proving the Borg incorrect.
Begs to wonder. Should the Borg be proven wrong, how will it unfold.
Jeffro
Peddling false hope by making superstitious claims, cherry picking, taking verses out of context, distorting the order of events, and dogmatically asserting things that are not stated in the Bible is not ‘superior Bible teaching’.
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You do not even believe in the Bible anyway and do not offer any alternative to its teachings and doctrines so until you have something to offer your ridicule amounts to nothing.
scholar JW
Jeffro
Notice how the inept so-called ‘scholar’ attempted to divert attention from the fact that there isn’t actually any time during Nebuchadnezzar's reign to place 7 years of inactivity.
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Notice how Jeffro avoids the fact that the NB Chronicles omit any mention of Neb's vacancy off the throne for a period of 7 years.
scholar JW
'scholar':
Notice how Jeffro avoids the fact that the NB Chronicles omit any mention of Neb's vacancy off the throne for a period of 7 years.
Huh? That doesn't even make sense! Since there was no 7-year vacancy, why would anyone expect it to be shown in Babylonian chronicles? But feel free to suggest where during Nebuchadnezzar's reign the vacancy occurred. 🤦♂️
Jeffro
And, obviously he was also wrong again there too. Aside from the fact that Jeremiah explicitly defines the 70 years as a period during which the nations served Babylon rather than a period of Jewish exile, and that exile was only a punishment for refusing to serve Babylon “in their own land” (Jeremiah 27:8-11), and never mentioning ‘70 years of exile’ at all, Daniel and 2 Chronicles both unambiguously indicate when Babylon was ‘called to account’ by the Persians. Jeremiah further explicitly stated in chapter 29 that attention would be given to the Jews’ return only after Babylon’s 70 years had ended. Additionally, Jeremiah (29:10) and Daniel (9:2) both indicate that Jerusalem’s desolation would be complete (Strong’s H4390) at the end of 70 years, not that it was desolate for 70 years. And not to mention the fact that some parts of Judea actually remained populated throughout the whole period anyway (“The Babylonian Gap”, Ephraim Stern, Biblical Archaeology Review, 26:6, November/December 2000).
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Jeremiah specifically describes the 70 years as a period of servitude to Babylon, a period wherein the Land of Judah was made desolate and the fact of a Jewish Exile. Further, the calling to account of Babylon could only have occurred after the fact of the fulfilment of the 70 years which could have been at the Return of the Exiles. Jer. 29:10 and Daniel 9:2 are both descriptive of the fact that the 70 years was a period of servitude- desolation- exile ending at the Return in 537 BCE. No other interpretation makes any sense as such have fuzzy beginnings and endings.
You refer to Stern's article but this also supports the view that Judah was desolate for 70 years so you need to be careful with archaeology opinion and read more widely.
scholar JW
'scholar':
You do not even believe in the Bible anyway and do not offer any alternative to its teachings and doctrines so until you have something to offer your ridicule amounts to nothing.
It is not necessary to hold any particular superstitious belief in order to assess the relevant texts, nor is it necessary to present some alternative superstitious belief in order to demonstrate that yours is unfounded. But I have provided substantial relevant information about the subject.
'scholar':
Jeremiah specifically describes the 70 years as a period of servitude to Babylon, a period wherein the Land of Judah was made desolate and the fact of a Jewish Exile.
See how the apologist needs to get vague about referring to the exile to try to associate it with the 70 years, because the fact is that the Bible never refers to 70 years of exile. Most of the Jews were exiled (early 597BCE) about 11 years prior to Jerusalem's destruction, and Jeremiah wrote to them (594BCE) about Babylon's 70 years several years before Jerusalem was destroyed (587BCE). It would be entirely meaningless to tell those people that the exile would end 70 years after some unstated future starting point. 'scholar' can't get around that fact, so he will continue to flounder, jeer and misdirect.
Further, the calling to account of Babylon could only have occurred after the fact of the fulfilment of the 70 years which could have been at the Return of the Exiles.
Complete nonsense. Jeremiah 29:10 is very clear that Babylon's 70 years would end, and then attention would be given to the Jews' return from Babylon after that. The authors of 2 Chronicles and of Daniel understood that the 'calling to account' of Babylon's king quite definitely referred to the Persian conquest of Babylon in 539BCE. No 'judgement' befell either Babylon or Cyrus in 537BCE.
You refer to Stern's article but this also supports the view that Judah was desolate for 70 years so you need to be careful with archaeology opinion and read more widely.
Stern's article supports the fact that much of Judea was desolate during the Neo-Babylonian period. Specifically, Stern's article refers to the period from Nebuchadnezzar’s first regnal year (604BCE) until Cyrus’ first regnal year in Babylon (538BCE), which is not 70 years. But even if he had said it matched a period of 70 years exactly, it would hardly matter, because it would remain the fact that Babylon's 70 years was not a period of exile. Additionally, Stern actually says "not a single town destroyed by the Babylonians was resettled", indicating that the towns that were destroyed remained desolate until the Persian period, which is quite different to the JW claim that all the towns of Judea were uninhabited.
