Posts by ThomasMore

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CSA - An Offender Typology.

by LostintheFog1999 in

in relation to a study program being undertaken i came across this accredited article and thought it would be worth sharing with this group.. https://www.qualitativecriminology.com/pub/osa148h6/release/2.

ThomasMore

The why IS important Vidiot.

I think you probably know. There are also some aspects of CSA that WTC would rather no one know. They have dealt with things that even JW R&F cannot accept, so the why is because it is just too much to survive.

LostInTheFog - that article addressed a broad range of immorality in the organization. The 36,638 DF'd ones mentioned was misdirection intended to lead the R&F to believe that all the immorality was outside Bethel. It was not. Wife-swapping was an issue among Special Full-time servants in missionary homes and at Bethels. The same was true for homsexuality and child molestation. There were other sins of course but they were not mentioned.

Note that the paragraph stated that "the great tribulation will clear out all those who are disgusting in their filth." WTC did not and has not cleared out all such ones. Many were given a pass and continued to do more of the same. Chitti and Greenleas were not DF'd. They were 're-assigned'. The word salad of WTC is disheartening for those who once believed that they did indeed abhor such behavior, notably CSA.

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CSA - An Offender Typology.

by LostintheFog1999 in

in relation to a study program being undertaken i came across this accredited article and thought it would be worth sharing with this group.. https://www.qualitativecriminology.com/pub/osa148h6/release/2.

ThomasMore

Vidiot - spot on.

The cases of CSA in JWdom do indeed go back many many decades. The bean counters didn't really start organizing the data until the computer age came along. The filing method and the structure of the desk assignments (by state) of Service Dept. made it difficult to really see the expanse of the problem. As well, there really was an attitude that CSA was a moral shortcoming, not a crime to be addressed seriously. Some desk men hardly thought it was worth addressing.

The effort to organize that particular occurrence of sin did not really get traction until 2014 onward. They had the cases digitally, but it was impossible to search effectively and to get statistics without meta data. They started that in earnest around 2015. I am aware that the effort to do that took it's toll on decent men who not only found that their religion had a huge CSA problem, but that they were also covering it up from authorities. AND, settling lawsuits out of court with such frequency that the trajectory of their bank accounts was shrinking faster than the contributions were coming in.

Meanwhile, the word in litigation circles was spreading fast. WTC was a pocket that could easily be gotten into if one had a case they didn't want to go public. The few that went to court went because the plaintifs wanted too much to settle or just wanted to give WTC a black eye. I don't blame them.

Selling the KH's to stay in the black was absolutely related to the exponential growth of CSA settlements. Now that some states have extended the statute of limitations for litigation, they are getting more organized to sell for the greatest effect instead of panic. All KHs have been appraised by LDC and they are positioned to sell when the situation merits. Criteria for selling/keeping KHs was implemented and seems to be the rule of the road. The Menlo Parks of the 90's are no more. WTC took ownership and any challenges are quashed immediately. They are much more methodical now to get what they need without decimating a region of sheeple by selling too many or the wrong ones.

I am still amazed that they are falling on the sword instead of outing the abusers. It makes one wonder just who they are protecting? I am aware of cases from the 50's that were brushed aside as if the victims were inconsequential. Some good men followed the direction of the Service Dept with no questions, no objections.

I think the gig is up now, and WTC knows the end could be near. Hello Pennsylvania!

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Ukraine violence against JW's - in 2019.....

by BoogerMan in

.....wouldn't get the org to tell jw's to desist from preaching:.

"threat of mob violence perehinske.

on 26 march 2019, roman balahura, a local priest, assembled a mob and threatened 10 witnesses with violence, forcing them to stop their religious activity and to leave the village.

ThomasMore

Russians never had the market cornered on religious intolerance. Thankfully, for JWs, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

In Orwells 1984, the powers fought one war after another, often changing sides in a never-ending conflict that was necessary to keep people united by helping them focus on a diabolical enemy.

JW's HATED catholics, but now they share the same legal firm and model their hierarchy in the same manner. JW's HATED charlatan televangelists, but they were quick to enter the court as 'friends of Jimmy Swaggert' when he ran afoul of the iRS.

Rutherford told Hitler by letter that they agreed with him about the Jews. Hitler dismissed his cozy approach so Rutherford wrote again, calling the power of heaven down on the Nazis.

There are seven days in every week so that WTC can take a different position for each.

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Awakening thoughts

by aqwsed12345 in

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friends

a "waking up", but still a member, jehovah's witness acquaintance of mine from eastern europe wrote the following lines:.

"i count among the main sins of the watchtower society:.

1. concealment.

ThomasMore

aqwsed12345 - please add to the list:

4. They totally lack a sense of humor.

Ding - Dang! Brainwashing is such a strong term. And yet, "Most people could use a good brain-washing". THERE! Does that bring back memories of over-used, canned replies?!

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Revelation book

by Gorb in

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friends

do you remember the jw.org book of revelation and how many times we had to study it?

in retrospect, all those hours turned out to be for nothing, the explanation of the prophecies is now completely outdated..

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ExbethelitePima - I can’t remember what the old Revelation book said about these verses, or has there been any new light on the mark of the beast and what it actually is?

It is the scar left by a pitbull after it latches on to an arm or leg. To avoid the mark, run away in a zigzag pattern, faster than the dog.

Most who take the mark are unable to buy or sell due to the pain of leaving the hospital bed.

I was satisfied with this answer and challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

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To All Those Keen To Tell Us About Their Beliefs

by Simon in

we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.

they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?

) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.

ThomasMore

More words do not make a point sharper. Bible commentary seems to expand faster than a diaper, and it is just tiresome. Five people have 6 opinions on any given verse, so why bother. If God wanted us to know, he could have been clearer. In the meantime, believe what you want - everyone else does.

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'church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately'

by was a new boy in

'the spokesperson also said that church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately, even if there is only one complainant.'.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rebekah-vardy-sexually-abused-child-jehovahs-witnesses/.

is this true?

ThomasMore

They have not changed their position and I doubt that they will. They are indeed claiming that they are clergy so there's that too.

If they change, the floodgates will truly be wide open, and they are already settling more cases out of court than they can afford.

The 2-witness rule is indeed their red line. They will not be shifting to 1-witness in the foreseeable future.

They reluctantly admit that CSA is a crime, but their actions betray that they view it as sin, maybe just a short-coming. It depends on who you ask. Look at their actions and decide.

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Details of my Disfellowshipping

by Holy Grail 007 in

i will tell you the truth because i do not tell lies and am always honest.

in may 2006 i was diagnosed with bipolar.

my wife separated from me against my will.

ThomasMore

Holy Grail 007 - WTC reminds elders that 1 year is a minimum for being disfellowshipped. They probably wanted you to wait for that time to pass. However, DFing is handled differently from cong to cong. Some are incredibly harsh and some are unbelievably lenient. Aside from being unscriptural (see other threads about what was expected from the man in Corinth who was no longer considered as a Brother), DFing according to how JW's do it is unchristian and inhuman.

It sounds like you have a lot of bitterness - I understand why. Maybe try looking at it from this perspective. YOU ARE FREE from WTC and it's cruelty. Live the life you have left and find joy in it. Seek continual treatment for your bipolar disorder - and thank GOD that you are no longer enslaved to WTC.

As for continuing to ask for forgiveness. You admitted your mistake. You changed. Asking for forgiveness endlessly is like saying that God has not forgiven. I don't believe that is the case. You will make other mistakes - so ask for forgiveness for those. Let the other thing go.

Please feel free to text me. I can offer some sincere words of comfort.

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It is now 2003.... Where is Armageddon?

by Nosferatu in

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friends

i find it extremely amusing how each year is passing without armageddon.

"for the year 2000, i visualize a world transformed into a beautiful paradise!

but i don't think that either the present world or its rulers will live to see that day.. we are living in the last days of the system of things.

ThomasMore

Answer - sometime in the future but not today - maybe - or maybe not.

I find it astonishing that 100 people can read the Bible and come up with 101 different understandings. Was that intentional by the writers, or were they just ambiguous enough so that there would always be an excuse for others to use when they were wrong? I don't know. What I do know is that we are alive, and now is the time to make a difference. Uniting people for their benefit is not easy, but it should be the goal for all of us. Devouring one another plays into the end time, doomsday religions.

Know any? I can think of one.

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Giving hope for all truth-loving people

by Person in

it it not easy for me but i would like to share with you my story and my take on what happend and is happening in jw.

for some my view can be unacceptable for others can be useful.

in fact it can be answer to the question: why am i still even bother what's is going on in this obviously corrupt organization?

ThomasMore

Person - Welcome to a place where you can speak out and not be treated like the plague.

Fountain Chambers is headquartered in London, Eng. They are a legal group of barristers (lawyers). If they contacted you through this forum, then beware. Someone may be trying to out you.

Otherwise, maybe they got your name from another thread or source and have a legitimate reason. Whatever the case, be cautious what you share until you are certain that they are not trying to get your name for the Branch to pursue you.