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  Shunning.

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with so much being said about the jws shunning policies again at the present time i thought it would be worth reposting this article.. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc9803876/.

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  When JWs, then my family started shunning me, I was hurt and disturbed - at first. As time went on, I began to realize that life was easier without them and all the guilting, self-righteousness, mean-spirited remarks and social punishing. Life is BETTER!! Their shunning is a GIFT to me. I wouldn’t have it any other way now. Seriously!!!
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  Does the Governing Body already know that Jehovah (the name) came from Babylon the Great?

  by Chevelle in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'll start by stating the obvious... according to the watchtower, the catholic church is a huge part of babylon the great which is led by satan and his demons.

  raymundus martini, a catholic monk (who "represents" babylon the great to some extent), woke up one day in the 13th century and decided to alter yhwh so it can be easily pronounced.

  hence the spanish-ish version of yhwh was created... jehova... (sounds something like this in spanish: heh-o-va).

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  Of course I don't know how God's name should be pronounced - and neither does anyone else for that matter. From a 20,000 ft view, maybe it doesn't matter. If it did, I would expect that God had 1400 pages to make it clear - but he refrained. I drew the conclusion that he is not insecure and does not care as long as we don't profane his name.

  I could be completely wrong. Like the GB, I am fallible. (That's where the comparison ends)
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  Regional convention 2023

  by sove in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  any streamed content from this years regional convention available with any of you guys?

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  I used to agree with the 2-witness rule, until I dealt with a clever pedophile who only got caught due to a random pediatric visit he was unaware of that was scheduled.

  Then I started to see that being able to out-maneuver authorities changed the rile from black and white to shades of gray.

  JWs want to avoid the authorities altogether - so they view the rule as black and white.

  Those of us who want to protect children view the rule as cautionary restraint. We still want the authorities called immediately. The accused can make their defense to them. As for a JC - see what the police do. Maybe more evidence, even forensic evidence might clear the fog.

  As for the clever pedo I dealt with... he had other victims unknown to us. Because I got the police involved, it all came out and he was put behind bars. I wonder what might have happened if I had just said we had no second witness and the pediatrician might be wrong?
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  For those following the JW headquarters reaction to the UK documentary - Rebekah Vardy: Jehovah's Witnesses and Me

  by jwleaks in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in addition to the jws false and misleading denial that rebekah vardy was ever a jehovah's witness, a few other interesting developments occurred that are worth noting:.

  1. an article in the last days newsletter reporting on how the jw[.

  ]org website scrubbed clean its jw 'news' page and produced an entire new glossary of jw terminally meaning for the media:.

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  My family started full-on shunning me a while back and although it hurt at first, it quickly dawned on me that it was a gift. They were often mean-spirited, I was not allowed to bring up anything negative about the teachings, and conversation was stilted. I am much happier now - sorry!!! But I am!
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  Link between relationships and health/happiness

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  even though i’m agnostic so will not commit to either intelligent design or chance, i love being part of the congregation for the close personal relationships.. there is such a great atmosphere inside the congregation it really is like a family and you don’t get this anywhere else.. a real friend is someone you can rely on when you are in need.

  if things go wrong for you and you are going through a hard time you know real friends will be there for you.

  as long as you didn’t bring it on yourself by going against gods law then you have to prove you are repentant first of course.. there is a lot of research now saying that good friends is essential for healthy and happiness.

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  ExBethelitePima - please send me a one month supply of what you are taking.

  Just kidding my friend! If nothing matters, then what you suggest is A-OK. TBH - I admire that you feel the way you do. You probably sleep better at night than I do.
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  Confirmed: CO Discourages Zoom

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i can confirm that the co during one of his service talks stated that zoom is a provision for elderly, infirmed, as well as people who might need it on occasion due to health reasons, otherwise you are expected to be in person at meetings and in the ministry.

  this had to come down from the top.

  maybe they do not want to put it in a gb update or broadcast since that would be too public i suppose.

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  They are still in "sell" mode so the drives will only be increasing for more of the flock. It is sad really.

  So many who paid for their KHs, built their KHs, maintained their KHs, worshipped in their KHs, and loved their KHs, lost their KHs because their attendance and donations ticked the boxes off for "Time To Sell". Now they have to drive further and be treated like they are spiritually weak for not praising the Organization for this new loving provision.

  I have often thought that we light the fire of our own discomfort and this confirms that it is true in JWdom.

  Cheer up all you honest-hearted ones! The end (of the religion) is SOOOOOOOO close. It is just around the corner (where a realtor is preparing to show your KH to another church).
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  First post here. Inactive since January, making it permanent. Here is my intro

  by madisoncembre in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  new poster to this site.

  i've started blogging and would like to share my experiences with you.

  bear with me as i am completely new to this.

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  I would say that you have a difficult road ahead, and it sounds like you have already traveled a difficult journey. I can imagine that John will take advantage of all legal avenues soon if he has not already. You will need the pro bono services of attorneys who represent battered women. If you have not sought them out, please do. They can make pre-emptive recommendations that will stand up in court.

  You deserve child support NOW and they can also help with that. As for counseling, there are many resources for battered women. Most are not congenial with JW's so hopefully they will offer the support that strengthens you.

  You are in my prayers for a better life.
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  Canada Bethel (Georgetown) to begin renovations early 2017

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a letter was just read at my midweek meeting that georgetown (canada bethel) will have renovations done on it beginning spring 2017. the letter asked for publishers who are electricians/plumbers/etc.

  and in good standing to apply to help out.

  those helping out will be considered "part-time commuters" and will only be at the property for about 3 days a week and must reside outside of bethel and pay for all their own expenses.

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  I wondered when they would stop milking that project for donations. It sounds like they may still think they can squeeze a few $$ from the R&F.

  That is an old tactic of WTC. They beg for money right up until they cancel a project and pocket the proceeds.

  What happens to the money - they take it all.

  What if R&F members loaned them money specifically for the project? Before they close it down, they ask all who did to consider forgiving the loans. They often do. Soon afterward, the project is cancelled.

  If land was involved, they sell it.

  If commitments were made, they break them.

  If anyone complains, they counsel and/or DF them.

  Ramapo what?
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  Weasel Word Phrase--The Bible Does Not Say...but

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the bible does not say—the weasel word phrase that bugs me the most.

  note that though the wts says this, it then proceeds to add :.

  after jesus’ birth, why did joseph and mary remain in bethlehem instead of returning home to nazareth?.

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  Excellent exposure of WTC weasel words Blondie. I am happy to hear that you are enjoying the life that you have!

  The Bible does not say, but it is reasonable to that the gift of life should be enjoyed, even if doing so means ignoring rules and procedures put in place by those claiming to represent the true God.

  There - I hope that sweetens the coffee!
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  Does the WTS have a clergy class (yes-no)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

  although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".

  ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

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  The reason they say that they do not have a clergy class is because they criticized the clergy class of Christendom for so many decades. CLERGY was synonymous with false religion according to WTC.

  In civil (and criminal) litigation, they claim that they should be recognized as clergy because they hear the confessions of the flock, and they desire to have the same non-reporting ecumenical privilege that clergy have.

  However, as a number of judges have pointed out to WTC attorneys, ecumenical privilege has criteria under most state laws, and WTC appointed elders do not meet that criteria because:

  1. They share privileged confessions with other elders, sometimes with a Service Dept. Desk man, and sometimes with the Legal Dept at Patterson or another Branch. This invalidates their right to claim ecumenical privilege. As soon as they share a confession, they violate the mandate required for ecumenical privilege that all US courts recognize.

  2. WTC has stated many many many many times in their literature that they do not have a clergy. Plaintif attorneys are quick to cite WTC publications that state such. WTC attorneys have tossed the word salad saying that they don't have a "paid" clergy, but they do have an unpaid class of men that acts in such a capacity who deserve ecumenical priviledge. To that claim, plaintif attorneys are quick to point out that elders may hear confessions, but they typically share the 'confidential talk' with other elders, CO's, the Branch, and their Legal Dept.

  In most if not all cases now, WTC's claim for clerical priviledge has been denied by judges. In Russell and Rutherford's day, they claimed they were not a religion. They stopped saying that when relgions were exempted from taxation. Suddenly they wanted to be a religion.

  For many years, they claimed that they were not part of 'organized religion'. Now they often refer to themselves as "THE ORGANIZATION", claiming that they are well organized and deserving of the same considerations that all other religious entities enjoy.

  It's no wonder reasonable persons think they are yahoos. They reinvent themselves when the situation merits. They have NO INTEGRITY.