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  JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

  he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

  he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

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  where did the entire 1914/607/adventist root thing start?

  Basically grew into a packaged teaching that solidified in the 1920's during the Rutherford area. That alone makes it suspect for being totally wrong.
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  JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

  he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

  he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

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  Journeyman - how about "Constant Redactions" ? Does that fit into your list?
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

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  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  Given that WTC originally taught that the creative days were 7,000 yrs long each (see the Table of the Books of the Bible in the old green version published in the 1960's), I have zero confidence to explain matters related to timing of the creation, the Kingdom or when my washer/dryer will be delivered.

  WTC never demonstrated true scholarly brilliance because they had no true scholars. If we want to know what the scriptures mean when they refer to the millenial reign, 'coming shortly' and other time related expressions, it seems to make more sense to throw the baby out with the bath water that WTC ran and start from ground zero. When the cornerstone is flawed, the rest of the building will be likewise.
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  Pa. authorities charge 5 more in probe of child sex abuse among Jehovah's Witnesses

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/charges-probe-child-sexual-abuse-among-jehovahs-witnesses-pennsylvania/3600171/#:~:text=a%20pennsylvania%20grand%20jury%20investigating,that%20has%20identified%2014%20suspects.

  what to know.

  a pennsylvania grand jury investigating child sexual abuse among jehovah’s witnesses has charged another five people with raping or molesting children as young as 4 years old.. the indictments friday are the latest charges in an ongoing probe that has identified 14 suspects.. state attorney general michelle henry says that while the misconduct dates back years or even decades, “the trauma endures for these victims.”.

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  "“I hope elders are arrested who knew about child abuse and covered it up and then it happened again,” said Haugh, who testified to the grand jury about the church’s structure and about his own daughter’s abuse within a Jehovah’s Witnesses congregation."

  When JW elders chose not to contact the police, it is almost a certainty that the abuser found a new victim. This is typical behavior for pedophiles. WTC knows this as they toss a word salad dancing around their moral obligation to report.

  The average JW doesn't feel that the problem is that serious, some even denying that they even have a problem at all. I have heard elders say that children often seduce men into sexual situations.

  I know of a former elder who molested his daughters and went to prison. The elders did not report him, his daughters did. An elder on his judicial committee told me that they would reinstate him if circumstances allowed. I was speechless.

  This is a religion that just does not get it. There is no reform for them, no change of behavior or new attitude emerging, no accountability for the lives that have been destroyed. As more cases are settled out of court with silence clauses, JWs play the persecution card. The catholics did not do that. Their Pope openly admits that they had/have a problem and that many children were hurt. JWs admit NOTHING - until they do, the problem will continue.

  This Summer, they will have their conventions and NEVER mention the ongoing problem of CSA. Parents be aware,, JWs cannot be entrusted with the care of children as a group.
  
  
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  Anyone know what this sculpture is of the "torture stake?"

  by charity7 in

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  hey guys!

  i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.

  my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.

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  I agree with Rattigan that the cross did become an idol to some. It is easy to understand how that could happen. But to be fair, ask Christians today what it means to them. They usually say it is a symbol of Christianity. Yes, I have asked, and that is the answer I got. None told me that it was their idol. They simply said that when they see it, they are moved to pause and thank Christ for his sacrifice. I am OK with that, and I'm not their god to criticize them for how they react to it. WTC uses the outline of a watchtower to identify their corporation. It's not their idol. That is reserved for the GB.

  For me, the problem with the Torture Stake death teaching that JW's preach, is that it quickly became a matter of religious dogma. They literally made it a litmus test of whether a person could serve God without renouncing the Cross. All I can say is:

  IT DOES NOT MATTER!

  What does matter is that God's son allowed himself to be be tortured and murdered and that somehow, it paid the price for all our sins by paying for Adam's sin. How so?

  IT DOES NOT MATTER!

  Paul explains the complexity of the equation, other writers allude to it, so accept some version of it if you want to call yourself a Christian. For heaven's sake, put it in a math equation on a huge lecture auditorium chalkboard to convince yourself if necessary. Just stop fighting over it. Be a Christian if you want to be one. Don't be one if you don't want to be one.

  But that is not enough for JWs. Being the contrarians that they are, they taught that Jesus was clean shaven. They looked foolish arguing that but once again, it became a litmus test for separation from Christendom.They demanded that he was hung on a straight stake with no crossbeam, clean shaven. They wanted him their way like it was the drive through at Burger King.

  IT DOES NOT MATTER!

  What does matter is that Jesus is described as kind to people. He reached out. He was charitable and helpful. He freely forgave. He was a good person and never a burden to his friends.He had courage to call out hypocrites who were trying to control people.

  If you don't want to believe he existed, then don't. But pay attention to the qualities that defined him. That is what we should try to be like. A man for all seasons - the original version of who the very real,Thomas More, tried to be.

  THAT IS WHAT MATTERS!
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  Putin the Pressure Up!

  by snare&racket in

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  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/nato-rapid-reaction-force-counter-russia-ukraine.

  http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/02/08/russia-investors-on-war-watch-wednesday/.

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11397924/ukraine-crisis-europe-and-us-debate-how-to-handle-russia-live.html.

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  Does anyone really believe that Putin is sound in mind? What's next in this real life version of a Saturday afternoon D movie?
  
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  NOBODY can get Holy Spirit - except via the G.B.....

  by BoogerMan in

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  ...according to bro.

  tony evans, district overseer, @ the voyager school assembly, peterborough, uk 10-2-13:.

  "jehovah does not give holy spirit, apart from the scriptures.

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  A rule of thumb to filter nonsense seems to be that ORGANIZED RELIGION IS FALSE RELIGION.
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  Rainbow 🌈 Law Makers will turn on Religion NOT the UN

  by JohnTron7 in

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  it should be starting to become more clear to people what i've stated for years on this site.

  the threat against religion that becomes pivotal will come from lgbtq politicians forcing through " hate crime" bills aimed at religions.

  in the past i have had a " maybe" statement from only one commenter.

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  I recently read a list of 'black-listed' actors. Many were black-listed due to "disparaging remarks and comments" they made about the LGBTQ+ community.

  Frankly, I don't care what people do in the privacy of their torture dungeons, as long as all parties are of legal age and consenting. But I DO take issue with those who organize efforts to suppress free speech. That includes JW's who regulate every word spoken by members and former members.
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  Regional Convention Attendance

  by XBEHERE in

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  elder friend of mine texted me asking what my rc attendance was 2 weeks ago (family and i streamed it since wife is not well).

  he told me that his rc in the jersey city assembly hall last weekend was low.

  co told them that around 2600 were the total from 16+ congs that were assigned.

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  Not long ago, WTC "reassigned" some seasoned Convention Dept personnel. The organizing experts are greatly diminshed now. And it shows!
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  Guaranteed way not to get disfellowshipped

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  if it’s looking like someone may be disfellowshiped or announced they are no longer a jw and they don’t want to be shunned they just want to fade without being shunned - just say that would make me suicidal .

  simple.

  in the new shepherding book it says if they say that then don’t go ahead with it.

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  They shun me - and it is a GIFT.

  I wouldn't have it any other way. I am free of their toxicity and doing well - never been happier!