Vanderhoven - JW's do equate loyalty to the GB as loyalty to God. They absolutely do.
Say something negative about the GB and it is an immediate conversation stopper.
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses view faithfulness to Jehovah as being equivalent to faithfulness to the Governing Body?
by Vanderhoven7 ini thought this was an interesting response to the question.
"being faithful and loyal to god implies or includes.
being faithful to your spouse (hebrews 13:4),.
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GB voice of Jesus....
by enoughisenough ina short sweet video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ekihoczyfg she put a link to the whole video if you care to watch.
here is the thing that came to my mind: by isolating just that part, the part sounds rather hubris, shocking, audacious.
when the jw hear it couched in a talk and woven in with scriptures, they will take it in without giving a real thought as to what is really being said..
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So when exactly does the GBspeak words likened to Jesus himself talking? Hmmmmm.... Let's see...
1. Is it when the GB members are saying nutty things in the broadcasts - many of which bear no resemblance to the substance of what Jesus taught. Maybe not the broadcast then...
2. Perhaps it is when they publish the Watchtower, other publications and videos? Probably not since they often have to correct or discontinue doctrinal errors/changes that get made. When could it be???????
3. Could it be when they testify under oath like when Geoffrey Jackson testified before the Australian Royal Commission. Hmmmm.... Since they don't stand actually stand for the things he said about it being presumptuos to say they were the only path to true religion, maybe Ken Flodin was not referring to these times...
4. Maybe it's when they give talks for conventions! Well...... they have said so many incorrect things dating back to Rutherford's day that it can't be their talks... Jesus didn't have to be fact-checked nor seek to bury untruths.
5. It must be when they talk at informal gatherings then. Oh wait, there are so many testimonial accounts of nutty unscriptural, unchristian things they said in informal gatherings, it can't be then that they were speaking like Jesus himself....
What is it then???? When HAVE their words been likened to Jesus words??!! Perhaps they speak through men like Philip Brumley who was just fined over $154K for misrepresenting the current role of the PA corporation in it's dealings with the congregations and with CSA cases. On second thought, that is the most unlikely time I would think since Jesus wasn't a blatant liar.
Well - I am stumped. Maybe someone can enlighten me as to when they actually speak words that are the equivalent of Jesus words. Brother Flodin - please weigh in. You read this forum I am sure.
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Why are JW's THIS blind?
by BoogerMan ini had a conversation about this 22 carat gold contradiction with a couple of zealous jw's a couple of days ago.. even their personal "explanations" contradicted each other as they tried justify their cognitive dissonance!.
an absolute delight to witness such absurdity.. "after all, no one will be allowed to practice vile things in the new world.
the unrighteous must have practiced these vile things [john 5:29] before their death.
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When WTC attempts to weave the scriptures into their clumsy narrative, it becomes word salad. This is a classic example. Many paragraphs are needed to EXPLAIN how this can be true.
Similar to this is the doctrine of the 144K. Thousands and thousands of uncompromising Christians died on stakes at the hands of Rome, but WTC invalidates their integrity by saying that the number was not filled until the 1930's.
Beware of EVERYTHING they say and publish.
"But they have some things right" some say.
Behold! The broken clock tells the truth 2 minutes each day.
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Has the Governing Body EVER apologized for anything?
by Wild_Thing ingeoffrey jackson testified to the arc that the governing body has apologized for things in the past, so an apology to sexual abuse victims is "perceivable".
what has the governing body ever apologized for?.
22 q. just on that point, mr jackson, has the governing body23 considered apologising to survivors of child sexual abuse24 at the hands of elders within the organisation?25 a. i haven't been in any discussions with regard to that.26 27 q. is that something that you foresee might happen ‐ in 28 other words, that an apology at least be considered?29 a. the governing body has apologised on other matters, so30 for me to say ‐ i can't speak collectively for everybody, 31 but we have apologised on things in the past, in other32 areas, so it is perceivable.. .
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No. They feel no need to apologize to ANYONE because EVERYONE is below them.
They have no humility - it is not part of their DNA and NEVER will be.
Does anyone know any narcissists who have offered sincere apologies? I really would like to know. Any takers?
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What happened in the 90’s is that publishers wised up. They saw WTC planning large real estate flips and publishing new non-sensical theories about the generation that was never supposed to die - BUT DID!
Personally, I kept going with enthusiasm, meanwhile my fellow elders were using every trick possible to post more hrs while actually doing nothing.
I think they gave ip on the doctrine but were not prepared to lose their status and their family and their friends.
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CSA Victom Speaks Out
by LostintheFog1999 ini happened to come across this video at the beginning of the week.
you feel so sorry for this poor woman who experienced csa and then the hardheartedness of the elders (what's new there) when she needed genuine love and help.. https://fb.watch/j1qacgxphi/.
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A MS in our former cong raped the 12 yr old daughter of a friend. She was terrified and did not scream while he raped and threatened to kill her and her family. He was DF'd and she was reproved because she did not scream.
My family never offered a word of consolation to her or her family. She left recently when she turned 17. She just said "no more".
The cong knew what happened but no one cared. It was never reported. He is not reinstated but does not care. Who knows what else he is doing? The statute ran out so there is no recourse. JW's don't seem bothered at all. She did not scream.
I don't know what to call that other than callous indifference. Should I go on with more accounts or are you thoroughly disgusted by now?
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Reading the Watchtower and Awake! is like getting a college education!
by kairos inanybody remember hearing this?.
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is that comment in print anywhere?.
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Was a new boy - I was a new boy once also. I remember going into some depth about how and why Gilead needed to become officially recognized as a provider of higher education. However, they stopped short of ever calling it a seminary. "Religious seminaries are a hallmark of false religion."
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New blood card
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inall elders just got letters about this new blood card system .
“language-coordinating congregations will receive separate parcel(s) containing the revised durable power of attorney for health care (dpa-e) for all congregation(s) in their literature group.“.
my questions are - why the revision and what has been revised?.
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The AMD (Advanced Medical Directive) is a ticking time bomb for WTC. Since they print it and provide direction for compliant use, they take on liability for future litigation from disgruntled family members who will charge that WTC coerced their loved one to refuse life-saving medical treatment.
That is why DF'd and inactive ones are not given the card - they can only craft their own using the same wording. WTC knows that DF'd persons are more likely to sue when things go wrong. This tells me that they are well aware that the AMD could bite them hard in the future. I am surprised that they still print and distribute it given the risk.
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Cost of living crisis
by ExBethelitenowPIMA induring the height of the pandemic all elders had to report to the co anyone who was struggling with bills or who couldn’t pay the rent.
the co reported it to the branch.. i don’t know what happens next.
do the branch help at all?
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Vidiot - Barbara is right, but there were relief efforts in the distant past that included limited Watchtower funds. Now there are NONE - NADA - ZILCH. Their tight-fisted approach and obsession with getting all the money of the congs into their accounts is certainly unprecedented. The great money grab over the last 10 years puzzles even members of mainstream Christendom.
I hear some say they are expecting more KHs to be built..... With what? WTC has all the money that congs saved hoping for a nicer KH. Also any land they bought has been liquidated and the proceeds sent to WTC.
Now WTC pilots a plan to pay the bills for the cong in non-US countries. I don't think the average publisher understands that this puts WTC in the drivers seat for turning off utilities if the cong falls below expected contribution levels. Personally, I think they will discard the plan as it will result in a decrease in donations as publishers assume thsat WTC is paying - not taking control - and stop contributing. It is a human tendency - just ask the ones who lived under Soviet oppression.
I can point to more than 10 ways that WTC has spiraled since Russell, and most have occurred in recent years.
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CSA Victom Speaks Out
by LostintheFog1999 ini happened to come across this video at the beginning of the week.
you feel so sorry for this poor woman who experienced csa and then the hardheartedness of the elders (what's new there) when she needed genuine love and help.. https://fb.watch/j1qacgxphi/.
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Vidiot - my own family members were indifferent. I tried to put it into context with some pointed questions, but they simply don't have the compassion necessary to feel the pain that would be expected by learning the children have been molested. Other JW's I have talked to also seemed disinterested in the plight of victimized children. Many seemed to think that the children should pray more and get over it.
I am sure that some find it terribly disturbing, but they quickly leave the organization.