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PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

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that the organization means salvation

***g84 8/22 28 From Our Readers***
The Catholic Church occupies a very significant position in the world and claims to be the way of salvation for hundreds of millions of people. Any organization that assumes that position should be willing to submit to scutiny and critism. All who criticize have the obligation to be truthful in presenting the facts and fair and objective in assessing such. In both respects we try to live up to that obligation.-ED.

This quote I find ironic. 'Jehovah's organization' will not allow itself to be scrutinized by it's members. If they do so, then they are reprimanded. All others that do so are labled apostates or opposers.

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PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

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that the organization means salvation

Scorpion

***w92 11/15 21 Serve Jehovah Loyally***
Our hearts should impell us to cooperate wit Jehovah's organization because we know that it alone is directed by his spirit and is making known his name and purpose.

***w91 9/15 17 "Help Me Out Where I Need Faith!"***
12 To ensure their salvation, Noah and his family needed to exercise faith. This meant following instructions and the leadings of God's holy spirit. During the great tribulation, it will be just as imperative that we follow the leadings of the holy spirit and obey Jehovah's instructions through his organization.

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PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

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that the organization means salvation

Scorpion

Now for the real topic at hand.

PROOF FROM THE WT THAT THE ORGANIZATION MEANS SALVATION

The WT says that it is the only means of salvation. It also in effect denies the Ransom of Christ by bilittling it as of no real importance.

***w93 9/15 22 They Compassionately shepard the Little Sheep***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah's organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy. (Compare John 6:66-69

***w81 11/15 21 'Stay Awake and Keep Your Senses'***
And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah's organization for salvation, the time no doubt will come when the message takes on a harder tone, like a great war cry."

***w82 7/1 25 What Birth of the Nation Has Meant for Mankind***
22 Although meriting due consideration in the inspired Bible, the salvation of the human race from sin and death and bondage to Satan the Devil and his organization is not the most important thing,

[my comment on the above. The sacrafice of Jesus merits consideration BUT it is not of real importance???]

***w92 11/15 21 Serve Jehovah Loyally***
Nowhere else to Go
12 We will be impelled to serve Jehovah loyally with his organization if we remeber that there is nowhere else to go for life eternal. When Jesus' statements cause many disciples to go off to the things behind.' he asked his apostles:" You do not want to go also do you?" Peter replied: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God."-John 6:66-69

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PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

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friends

that the organization means salvation

Scorpion

First I would like to qoute what Friend said, these are posts made in the topic apostolic succession. I am only taking a few of the qoutes. If you wish to check back, I will post the date and time.

Friend said June 5,2000 11:33am, (Witnesses do not teach that Jehovah will only judge them as acceptable). Friend then qouted the brochure JWs in the Twentieth Century page 29. Friend also said JWs uniquely practice the Christianity of the Bible.

June 6, 2000 9:08pm Friend said,(We do not teach salvation (or not) of any individual is determined by us. Rather we teach that only God through his son will make that judgement.
Friend also said, (I do not know a single JW in their right mind that would tell you otherwise.

This leads me to think that we as JWs hide what the WT has taught us. I guess we all are not in our right minds for hiding the truth about what we are taught.

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PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

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that the organization means salvation

Scorpion

It is after 12am and I worked from 8:30am till 10pm tonight. I am still conducting some business at the moment, so I will try to get as much of this done tonight as I can. My first post did not make it for some strange reason. I will post this topic in intervals.

This is in reply to the topic Apostolic succession. I told Friend that I would post this tonight. If I make an error in qoutes, please let me know. I am open for critism. I am also very tired so bare with me.

Friend said that the idea of the WT teaching apostolic succession was a false notion. I agree. The WT (TODAY) does not as far as I know teach this. At one time, the WT did. If anyone has the (Karatol Edition, 1918 of Studies in the Scriptures Scriptures turn to page 64. You will see that C.T.Russell likened himself and ranked himself above St Paul, St John, Arius, Waldo, Wycliff and Luther. These are what Russell taught were the six Messengers of the Church, Russell being the Seventh Messenger. Friend I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that the WT today does not claim apostolic succession. The WT does claim as we do as members that we have the truth and one true religion. Therefore Jehovah is behind us as he was the apostles. What does the WT claim though as far as salvation and their role in it?

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PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

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friends

that the organization means salvation

Scorpion

THAT THE ORGANIZATION MEANS SALVATION

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What should I do?

by Scorpion in

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i have pioneered for over four years.

i have three children and a wife who at times has severe back problems.

i have worked two jobs just to stay ahead of the bills and provide for my family.

Scorpion

waiting,

Actually I am from Northern CA. As far as those in the KH, my wifes good friends thought the massage was a great idea. The only thing is, she only has two good friends at the KH. Her other best friends are not JWs.

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Rules and Regulations

by Simon in

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ok, it seems like we need to start setting up some rules and regulations as 'common sense' doesn;t seem to work for everyone.. rule 1. no personal attacks / insults.

feel free to submit any rules (or guidelines) that you think would help.

Scorpion

Does this mean I can't call someone a bonehead? :-)

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"Apostolic succession"?

by Jokemyster in

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since the wt organization claims "apostolic succession" who was it that passed the torch of gods spirit to c.t.russel when he founded the.

organization?

what denomination or faith?

Scorpion

Friend,

Thank you for your interpretation of two ideas supporting another. What about two different ideas supporting each other.

I will post a new topic on this tonight. Right now I have to head off to work.

Right now I would ask you to read John 6:66-69 and tell me where the WTBTS is mentioned in these versus. It is not! As I said, I will post a new topic tonight and will be interested in your reply.

Thank you

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What should I do?

by Scorpion in

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i have pioneered for over four years.

i have three children and a wife who at times has severe back problems.

i have worked two jobs just to stay ahead of the bills and provide for my family.

Scorpion

Carmel,

Thank you for the book recommendation. It is funny how things start to work out. Since I have been home more helping my wife out, which is what I should have been doing, she has hardly complained about her back. I paid for her a one hour massage the other day as well as a day out with some of her friends while I took the kids to the park and went swimming etc. She seems to be feeling a lot better lately. Maybe it was the stress she had trying to keep up with the kids, home etc, mostly by her self that caused her back pains.