Posts by Scorpion

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A Request

by Friend in

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lately i have spent some time responding to various subjects on this forum.

at this time it seems a bit necessary that i address something about myself in the hopes that it will clear up some misunderstandings.

first of all, i am not a defender of the watch tower bible & tract society.

Scorpion

Friend,

I just wanted to say if I have offended you in anyway, I am sorry. I still respectfully disagree with your points at hand about salvation as well as a few other topics on this board.

When I read your post, even in this thread, I see things that appear shaded. I do not want to start another full fledged argument on this thread. I do wish to ask a few questions.

In your reply to Carmel you said on the bottom of your post that there are (others) besides Jehovah's Witnesses that are also encouraging the spread of the good news of the Kingdom.

1. Who are they?

2. Is the news Jehovah's Witnesses are bringing, the good news the (others) are refering to?

3. Are the (others) encouraging the spread of the good news of the Kingdom spreading this good news themselves?

Thank you

67

PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

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that the organization means salvation

Scorpion

Friend,

I am sorry you are aghast. Maybe you ought to cut down on eating at Taco Bell.

You still did not answer my questions. I see you avoided them again. Let me make this easier for you by asking one question.

Do we as individuals have to belong to the Jehovah's Witness faith to gain salvation?

Yes or No

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Preacher Jimmy Swaggart and JW Lawyers

by waiting in

in the supreme court of the united states, october tenth, 1988, case no.

88-1374, filed on june 22, 1988, clerk joseph f. spanol, jr.. on that date and file number, the attoreny james m. mccabe,and donald t. ridley, 25 colombia heights, brooklyn, ny 11251 (718)606-4993, attorneys for amicus curiae, watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. filed a "friends of the court" brief on the behalf of the famous preacher, jimmy swaggart and his ministries.. why would the watchtower society, direct channel for jehovah's holy spirt, which also godly hates babylon the great, which also christiandom is the largest part, go into the supreme court of the united states and file a legal brief to help jimmy swaggart's ministries in his trial which was case no.

88-1374: jimmy swaggart ministries, appelant vs. board of equalization of california, appeller?.

Scorpion

waiting,

Friend does have a way with words.

67

PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

jw
friends

that the organization means salvation

Scorpion

waiting,

I saw the links and discussions Friend has posted. He is articulate I must admit. So is the President of the United States as well as many politicians.

If you are able to read between the lines, you will see that anyone, even Adolf Hitler can convince many.

67

PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

jw
friends

that the organization means salvation

Scorpion

Friend,

In your response to Frenchy you qouted Jws in the 20th century.

It says many millions that were not JWs will be resurrected and have the opportunity for life.

Many now living may yet take a stand for truth and rightousness before the great tribulation, " and they will gain salvation.
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I ask, how do those who will be resurrected according to the WT and the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses gain the opportunity for life?

Also, how will those that chose to take a stand for truth gain salvation before the great tribulation?

Do we have to belong to the Jehovah's Witness belief system to gain that salvation? Please answer this question with a yes or no.

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To: Truthbknown

by Dubby in

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friends

dear truthbknown,.

don't be so afraid to let the truthbknown!

devoting yourself to men and their rules puts you in a precarious position with jehovah.

Scorpion

Roamingfeline,

HEIL THE WATCHTOWER ORGANIZATION!!!

I hope you know I am kidding.

67

PROOF from the WT

by Scorpion in

jw
friends

that the organization means salvation

Scorpion

Friend,

You are the closest thing to a glitering Jem of colossal ignorance I have seen in some time.

Yes, if you say so, I am dishonest. After all, I have been teaching several lies for the WTBTS for the last 7 years and have ignored the facts because I was told to do so.

AS far as your questions, they have nothing to do with what the WT teaches about Salvation being found in the WT organization. Your lack of comprehending this leaves me to the conclusion that you are trying to twist the facts and teach a form of twisted fallacy that those of us with a mind should avoid. You keep saying that JWs are the ones teaching what they believe about Salvation, Why? Is it not the WT that teaches the Witness on what to believe?

I am aware of the ealiest Christians making mistakes. Were they allowed to question those taking the lead? Did those early Christians mindlessly accept things taught without looking at the facts and discarding the lies? Were they shunned for not conforming to what appeared by the majority to be "truth"?

You still did not explain why all the differences and changes in the teachings of the Wt about the Sodomites nor did you answer my questions. Let me refresh your selective memory.

Please answer this question: Did the Governing Body recieve these changes from communication with God or did they forget what was originally taught and make these changes on their own? Or better yet, are they really Jehovah's channel of communication? Does Jehovah play with our minds with doctrinal flip flops or is it the GB that we have to follow hook line and sinker that are prone to mistakes that can affect us in a very negative way?

Your justification of man made errors by the WT does not excuse them from Gods Jugdment nor does it excuse us for teaching such errors.

All those who were disfellowshipped and shunned and seperated from family and friends for disagreeing with the fallacies of the WT are the ones paying the price for the mistakes of men. Now tell me how we should press onward in a relentless evangelizing spirit as you put it, knowing the wrong dealt out to those that were innocent and condemned as guilty by the WT and the ones taking the lead (elders).

I see you to be ignoring facts and not being able to answer questions with a yes or no.

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To: Truthbknown

by Dubby in

jw
friends

dear truthbknown,.

don't be so afraid to let the truthbknown!

devoting yourself to men and their rules puts you in a precarious position with jehovah.

Scorpion

mgm,

I agree with you. I to am a Witness with many doubts that was told not to discuss my doubts with others or would be classified as an opposer.

I wonder who I would be opposing, the WT or God? I no longer equate the two as having anything to do with each other.

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What should I do?

by Scorpion in

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friends

i have pioneered for over four years.

i have three children and a wife who at times has severe back problems.

i have worked two jobs just to stay ahead of the bills and provide for my family.

Scorpion

All of you make me smile :-)

I think I will get a massage myself, where's my wife?

Waiting, you called me a Dork, have you been talking to my wife? ;-)

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Preacher Jimmy Swaggart and JW Lawyers

by waiting in

in the supreme court of the united states, october tenth, 1988, case no.

88-1374, filed on june 22, 1988, clerk joseph f. spanol, jr.. on that date and file number, the attoreny james m. mccabe,and donald t. ridley, 25 colombia heights, brooklyn, ny 11251 (718)606-4993, attorneys for amicus curiae, watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc. filed a "friends of the court" brief on the behalf of the famous preacher, jimmy swaggart and his ministries.. why would the watchtower society, direct channel for jehovah's holy spirt, which also godly hates babylon the great, which also christiandom is the largest part, go into the supreme court of the united states and file a legal brief to help jimmy swaggart's ministries in his trial which was case no.

88-1374: jimmy swaggart ministries, appelant vs. board of equalization of california, appeller?.

Scorpion

Friend,

The last post of yours makes sense. Actually it is one of your best posts thus far.

You said: Having an opinion does not make that opinion right.

I agree, the WT as with all religions are full of opinions just like ourselves. We (ALL) make mistakes and are wrong at times. The religions or individuals claiming to speak for God or claiming to be Gods channel should be looked at with suspicion.

As far as arguments go, many sound arguments with details and evidence are sometimes overlooked because of bias as to what a person wishes to believe or has been programmed to think.

Fallacy can be accepted as truth by an individual that is uninformed or ignorant of the facts. I agree with you that learning to spot fallacious arguments helps us to better decide on issues that could be crucial.