Sunchild,
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You have a unique way with words.
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Scorpion
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What drives exJWs to atheism?
by ros ina significant number of former jehovah's witnesses come out of the watchtower still believing the bible and considering themselves christians.
most coming out are in a serious state of bewilderment, and they look intently and sincerely for something to fill the huge void of lost religion, lost family and friends, and lost fellowship.
they seek some viable spiritual association with others of like mind while at the same time having become very wary of any organized religion.. what is it that eventually draws so many of us (not me) to agnosticism or atheism?
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elders visit need advice from ex elders, any
by jurs inhi eveyone,.
i just got back from vacation.
i missed reading everyones postings.. i just received a call from an elder in my congregation.
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1.Meet at your home
2.Hide a tape recorder so as to tape the proceedings
3.Have a witness present
4.Hide the witness so the elders do not know there is someone else listening to the preceedingsThe reason for the witness and the recording is so you will have proof of what actually went on during the proceedings. The elders and others in the congregation are not beyond starting rumours about you and your departure from the borg.
According to the letter sent me from the Societies attorneys when I was ousted from my congregation in 1989, you can have a witness or witnesses in your behalf. The elders denied my witnesses as well as my attorney being present when they were aware of what the Societies letter stated.
Good Luck!
Is that phrase a disfellowshipping offense?
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DC
by Wolfy inman...is my butt sore!...
(my head too)...went to the dc today.thought i would give ya a run down with a few observations.
usual crap about daily text and how important it is...yawn..not awake yet.
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Wolfy,
Next time take a thermos full of booze, it might help! Don't give the kids any.
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In case this gets lost...
by kes152 in"a man had two sons.. he went up to the first son and asked him, "son, go please and bring in my sheep from the pasture.
for it is getting dark and it would be dangerous to leave them out at night.".
so the son goes out and brings in the flock, because his heart was on obeying his father and he wanted to care about the same things his father cared about.
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Aaron,
I saw no judgement of anyone in your post. Larsguy seems to have a haughty opinion of himself.
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What drives exJWs to atheism?
by ros ina significant number of former jehovah's witnesses come out of the watchtower still believing the bible and considering themselves christians.
most coming out are in a serious state of bewilderment, and they look intently and sincerely for something to fill the huge void of lost religion, lost family and friends, and lost fellowship.
they seek some viable spiritual association with others of like mind while at the same time having become very wary of any organized religion.. what is it that eventually draws so many of us (not me) to agnosticism or atheism?
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rem,
One cannot prove that God does not exist, they can only deny his existence. I cannot prove that God exists, God does that!
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What drives exJWs to atheism?
by ros ina significant number of former jehovah's witnesses come out of the watchtower still believing the bible and considering themselves christians.
most coming out are in a serious state of bewilderment, and they look intently and sincerely for something to fill the huge void of lost religion, lost family and friends, and lost fellowship.
they seek some viable spiritual association with others of like mind while at the same time having become very wary of any organized religion.. what is it that eventually draws so many of us (not me) to agnosticism or atheism?
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proplog2,
You said: A premise should first and foremost be based on factual evidence.
Prove that God does not exist!
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What drives exJWs to atheism?
by ros ina significant number of former jehovah's witnesses come out of the watchtower still believing the bible and considering themselves christians.
most coming out are in a serious state of bewilderment, and they look intently and sincerely for something to fill the huge void of lost religion, lost family and friends, and lost fellowship.
they seek some viable spiritual association with others of like mind while at the same time having become very wary of any organized religion.. what is it that eventually draws so many of us (not me) to agnosticism or atheism?
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ros,
Well put!
Your comment about debating Trinitarians, all I can say is if you lurk on a trin forum and see the discussions and then leave for a year and then go back, you will miss nothing but the same discussions over and over again.
Stan
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Hi everyone....
by Jeremy Bravo inas i sit in front of my computer in a drunken stupor wondering what might have been, i felt i had to post my story to those who might truly understand what i am going through.. i am a newbie here, but have been lurking around for the last few weeks.
i am 25 years old, from ontario, and totally heartbroken.. to give you some background, back in 1998, i studied with the witnesses because some friends of mine, whom i believe to be honest and sincere people, gave me (i thought at the time) some good advice to start a book study.
i did, and i really enjoyed it because i felt they presented everything factually and had a strong interpretation of the scriptures (i'm a facts man, you see).
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JB,
It seems that your girl friends real love was not with you. The Watchtower has a way with influence over ones emotions and thinking ability as well as complete control over ones life once one commits.
Hopefully the "love of your life" will wake up as you did and see through the WT farce.As far as Alan's post, I do not agree that just because one belongs to a fundamentalist style religion, and one does not, that relationships can not work out. I have two very good friends that have been married for over 18 years now. He is an atheist and she belongs to a non-denominational religion. They have a very good marriage. She new he was atheist when she married him. I enjoy his company even though we do not see eye to eye.
Also my Grandmother who was a devout JW, was married to my Grandfather for I can't remember how long. He being raised by his father who was a Baptist minister, denied God and religion after moving out at a young age and remained atheist till he died. He died before my Grandmother did. She died June 22 1997. They had a fairly good marriage except for the fact that my Grandfather was somewhat controlling and smoked heavily till he had emphysema so bad he was hooked up to oxygen full time.
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POEMS OF DAWN: page 299
"PRIDE GOETH BEFORE DESTRUCTION"A King in procession had come to the town,
Riding an ass that was playing the clown:
For as people hailed and saulted their King
And started in joy his great praises to sing,
The ass made a curtsy and smiled and bowed
And sat down to salute the worshipping crowd.
The King in his rage had the ass fully stripped,
And there on the street had him publicly whipped.Which reminds us of some that our Masters had used
Who, puffed up with pride, their office abused;
And not honouring Him in all their ways,
They took to themselves His honour and praise-
But pride brings destruction, or something quite near it,
And so they were stripped of the Truth and its spirit;
For they are deviod of true wisdom, alas
Who possess the audacity of the ass!(Regarding his(Joseph Rutherford) misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he once confessed to us at Bethel, "I made an ass of myself."
WT 10/1/1984 page 24 -
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Another Dangerous Religion
by Scorpion inanother dangerous religion to watch out for.. australian based.. to the women on this forum, if you want to be enraged, read how women should act and submit if you chose to join.. > http://www.littlepromisedland.com/
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Stephanus,
Thanks for the link. I will pass this one on also.