They get offensive and aggressive because their beliefs don't stack up or hold up under proper scrutiny.
moreconfusedthanever
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Are JWs capable of a genuine discussion?
by stuckinarut2 ini was just pondering whether jws are capable of having a calm, in depth discussion about religious or faith topics?.
i have just finished listening to a great podcast by "dogma debate" (dan) episode 333. this fantastic, in-depth conversation between a theist and an atheist was a masterful example of how a dignified conversation can take place without it resorting to abruptness or even nastiness.. jws on the other hand seem incapable of having such discussion without ending up in the following ways:.
1)they get dogmatic and defensive if a differing view is presented.. 2)if the conversation doesn't go their way, they cut it short saying something like "well, we had better agree to disagree" or the like.. so why the arrogance?
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Please Pray for me. Struggling very hard with an issue.
by GodsWill1 ini’ve been struggling to end a long-term relationship of 12 years that needs to end.
i came to the truth after i met him, and we never married.
i want to get married, but this man i’m with in not for me.
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moreconfusedthanever
12 years is a long time. Was he always a drinker? Do you love him? Are you only now looking to dump him because you want to pursue a new life in the new found religion?
There is help for those with drinking problems. As has already been said you should talk to him about it and demand he get help to quit. If you love him, stick around to support him. If you don't then the ball is in your court.
No religion should put you in a position where you think you need to leave your loved ones. Ask yourself what would Jesus do? He was kind and merciful and showed love for those in need.
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New to the truth
by MatthewHewey ini have been meeting with member's of the kingdom hall, and i have attended a few times now on sundays.
i'd like to discuss experiences with this group since i'm new.
so far, i love it.
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moreconfusedthanever
What they do now can hardly be called bible study anymore.
I was raised a JW and was just saying to my very zealous mother that bible study has gone out the window and now they study watchtowers on how to sing and to remember to be loyal to the organization and not speak to your family members who no longer believe that the JWs are the only ones who will survive Armageddon.
My children worked out long ago that picking scriptures and putting them together to make a point you want others to believe is not accurate or honest nor can it be classed as bible study.
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New to the truth
by MatthewHewey ini have been meeting with member's of the kingdom hall, and i have attended a few times now on sundays.
i'd like to discuss experiences with this group since i'm new.
so far, i love it.
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moreconfusedthanever
Greetings Matthew. It's called "love bombing". All new comers are warmly welcomed and "accepted" as they are. Keep your eyes open and take note.
How many have you met with nose piercing? I would bet none. Those with tattoos will have received those prior to joining the religion.
If you love bible study make sure you research everything there is to know about the Jehovah's Witnesses and their doctrine from the very beginning.
Like with every "new" thing you may purchase, read the "user reviews" and not just the "manufacturer advertisement brochures".
Ephesians 5:10 says to keep making sure what is acceptable to the Lord.
This forum is a great place to gain insight into the life of a Jehovah's Witness and you will find we are predominantly ex members.
Good luck in your search for the truth.
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What to Do....Please Help. Awakening JW for a very long time
by CovertsadJW ingood afternoon , .
i have been having doubts for many years and as most jw's i have certainly not done myself a favor by suppressing all of my critical thinking.
i am married with 3 kids and my wife and i are inactive, but my wife has made it very clear in speech and action that she wants to go to all meetings, field service, and indoctrinate our kids.
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moreconfusedthanever
I don't have an issue with my husband but I do however have very pushy family who constantly request we return to meetings and badger my children.
It's no use sharing what you know and everyone needs to find out the truth for themselves.
What I do now is refer them to Romans 14:12 "each of us will render an account for himself to God". If we go because we are forced or to make others happy Jehovah who sees what the heart is (1 Sam 16:7) will not be fooled.
You could let your wife know that she can go to meetings and in service and that it is not your intention to force her to stop but you must also be allowed to make your choices based on your knowledge and mutual respect must prevail for the sake of a peaceful family arrangement for your children.
Your children may well need to go with your wife to the meetings. Make sure they can talk to you about things they are learning so that you can help them use their critical thinking skills.
The last thing I would make sure of is that the children are not forced into baptism. Remind your wife and extended family that Jesus himself did not get baptised until he was 30 so if they want the children to follow in his footsteps they too should wait until they are adults.
In my case, my children were not fooled and recognized early on that "the truth" is not the truth.
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Non JW and JW friendships
by ricsa inhimy story is as follows.
i've been friends with a guy for round 1,5 years.
he told me once he had another guy friend who was gay.
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moreconfusedthanever
Jrjw - exactly! Bit of manipulation to catch them unawares.
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My 71st Birthday Confessional
by TerryWalstrom ini was born january 15, 1947in mt.
carmel hospital, detroit, michigan.. within six months of my birth, my mother would bundle her baby boy into a blanket and board an american airlines propeller-driven plane--in effect, leaving my father behind--to return to her hometown, ft. worth, texas.. my dad had an excellent job working for cadillac as an inspector.
it was a union job.
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moreconfusedthanever
Happy birthday!
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Non JW and JW friendships
by ricsa inhimy story is as follows.
i've been friends with a guy for round 1,5 years.
he told me once he had another guy friend who was gay.
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moreconfusedthanever
Some JWs will become your friend first. Make themselves seem just like everyone else but in the back of their mind is their intention of teaching you the "truth" and converting you.
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Suing the Org
by dantoole87 ini believe that i have a good cause to sue the organization.
but i know that they have crafted themselves a legal loophole infinite loop.
so i was thinking that i should just sue the congregation that i know fucked me over.
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moreconfusedthanever
I don't know. Leaving the cult is a grieving process and anger is one of the stages.
If you want your card you could get legal help to get it without suing anyone. A law suit will not concern the 7 dwarves one iota but just cause you added anger and anxiety.
We are of no consequence to the JW.org machine. Better to make a speedy recovery and live a happy life and give no more of your precious time to them.
That's just my opinion.
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Manmade rules
by Jrjw ini was talking to someone a few years ago and he said in his congregation they have a rail of white shirts prepared in the cloakroom for if a speaker doesn't have a white shirt on.
it was a rule in their hall that all brothers in the platform must wear white shirts when going talks and if the speaker won't comply when asked to change into the shirt they provide an elder in the congregation will do the talk instead.
i have never known any other halls do it so it must be a rule the elders have made up without gb input.
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moreconfusedthanever
In a congregation here one sister was told she could not be a householder for a talk one evening because she was wearing footless tights and even though she had a long skirt on, they looked too much like pants. They asked her to go home and change. She did because her dad was an elder and she didn't want to cause trouble.
It was a CO that informed me that young ones, having followed all the rules all their lives, being ridiculed at school for not eating birthday cake and refusing to colour in eggs at Easter etc etc. Having always identified themselves as one of the JWs were in fact actually unbelievers until such time as they get baptised. For this reason a baptised person should not consider such ones as potential marriage mates. What he actually said was "he should not have put his eyes on an unbaptized person. End of story."
This issue came up because In our congregation at the time, the elders reversed their decision to allow a young lady to get baptised, the night before it was due to happen because her parents feared she would run away and marry the young brother she had been seeing.
The young couple had not planned to marry so soon but on the back of this ridiculous situation they did just that. They got married (eloped) with much cloak and dagger as her family threatened to lock her up so she couldn't make her wedding, moved away and the CO of their new congregation allowed her to get baptised when he heard the story.
Thankfully they left the religion not long after.