Posts by moreconfusedthanever

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Why isn't Lazarus my next-door neighbor?

by return of parakeet in

after looking through doug mason's "ransom" thread, i noticed a little discrepancy between dub doctrine and the bible; i.e.

lazarus.. if the wages of sin is death, lazarus paid the wages in full by dying, and when resurrected by jesus, he should then have been a "perfect" man.

after all, he paid his wages for his imperfection -- he died.

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They was mentioned on a previous post. Jesus had not paid the ransom yet so everlasting life was not yet available or something like that?

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Chapter 45 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

by new boy in

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chapter 45 do you want to shake hands at least?.

on the weekend of july 28th and 29th of 2001, we decided to have a “big chill” party at our house.

witness friends came from all over the country.

working late tonight i just thought this up : whenever we used to hear someone say " so and so is not doing well spiritually™ " or "not doing well in the truth™ " what it really means is they aren't doing well climbing the wtbts's corporate ladder or doing their beck and call following the herd cult thingy.

been brought up before but had to share..feel free to add..

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I mentioned to a sister that a mutual friend of ours is very busy. Her response was "busy in the truth?". Only that would be acceptable. Mustn't be busy doing anything else.

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Work Christmas functions: Being a Bible Student (unbaptized)

by rulehayl in

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hi all,i have been studying with the witnesses for more than 6 months and regularly attend both midweek & weekend meetings, and i am nearly at the end of the "bible teach" book.

my boss is adamant i attend team christmas functions.

she knows about my studying and potential baptism next year, and has suggested that i attend and just not participate in activities like kris kringle.

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1 John 5:3 says God's commandments are not burdensome.

Matthew 11:30 says the yoke is kindly and the load is light.

If you are finding it overwhelming and difficult while you are still in the love bombing study stage alarm bells should be ringing.

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Where to go for the 'Deep Things'?

by cobweb in

as someone who has been out a while, i wondered what publications a jw would turn to now if they want to do serious bible research.

are there any meaty jw publications left?

i haven't heard of the insight books being revised.

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It's all just fluff and nonsense. The teenagers getting baptised because they have to would have no clue what their religious beliefs are and certainly could not explain it. They know Armageddon is coming and you can't celebrate Xmas and birthdays etc.

Everyone is happy that they do not need to research anymore and happy they can just click and read what the GB has prepared for them never asking if it is actually true.

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Convention “Highlights” - bwhahaha!

by Muddy Waters in

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taking a walk down memory lane at those looooonnnnngg, tedious conventions... .

(boy, they weren’t kidding when they spoke about being long-suffering and having endurance!).

but what were some of your convention highlights, or lowlights, from back in the day?.

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I remember a convention in the 80s where I spent the entire 4 days asleep in the first aid department. I had surgery few days before and my mother would never consider missing the convention to take care of me at home.

Other than that our family were always in food service which meant that as a teenager I was never able to make new friends because I was always working. We always had to be there super early and got stuck cleaning up after too.

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Fasten Your Seatbelts - The Crazy Has Started (Also, bring the Koolaid)

by berrygerry in

from facebook:just saw my jw mother after not seeing her for more than 2 years.

when i do see her, it is brief, she never asks about my life, doesn't ask about my 4 children her grandchildren, doesn't ask about my grandchildren...her great grandchildren, she doesn't ask about my other 2 brothers that she is also alienated from, she doesn't ask about my brothers family.

she doesn't talk about the jw/org either.

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From my mother I hear that they are encouraged to have 3 days of supplies on hand because in the event of a natural disaster it could take that long for assistance to arrive. The rest of your mother's news seems to be a work of fiction. Perhaps to jolt you and your siblings to a speedy return?

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Casting Out DEMONS

by Cold Steel in

if someone believes they're being plagued with demons or they have problems with hauntings, things moving by themselves or hearing voices or footsteps, who they gonna call?

i know they take demons very seriously, so who in the congregation do they go to when they need to bring out the big guns?

do they try to handle it themselves or is this a job for the elders?

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deegee - thanks I will.

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Casting Out DEMONS

by Cold Steel in

if someone believes they're being plagued with demons or they have problems with hauntings, things moving by themselves or hearing voices or footsteps, who they gonna call?

i know they take demons very seriously, so who in the congregation do they go to when they need to bring out the big guns?

do they try to handle it themselves or is this a job for the elders?

moreconfusedthanever

This is a point of interest to me as our family had demon experiences and I have several stories of first hand experiences which perplex me. If God does not exist then what is the explanation for these experiences? They are not always just suffered by one person which could be disregarded as mental issues but if 2 or 3 in the room witness the same thing how is that possible?

I am pretty much a born in. I was always told to call out to Jehovah as the demons are scared of him and they will flee. My mother was hot on not inviting them into our house by shows watched on TV and music listened to. She was having issues with them from a young age and the JW ability to give her a plausible explanation and remedy was the big factor in her choosing this religion for her family.

I remember after an incident in our house - it's 3am and the radio in the living room turns on by itself and someone seems to be going through the stations. This was in the days where the tuner was a knob that required turning. I heard it and she heard it. She yells to me to stop it and go to sleep and I yell back that it's not me. She wakes dad and he goes into the living room and turns off the radio. My sibling slept peacefully. - because my sibling slept through the event it was decided that he was the source of the invasion as demons leave the one who invited them alone. The afternoon was spent with mum going through their CD collection and destroying any that gave her bad vibes.

Another one does involve a second hand ring. Apparently every time mum wore the ring she would turn nasty. She took it off and put it in the garden shed for a bit. Then tried wearing it again and she turned nasty. The ring was ditched in the bin but mysteriously reappeared a few days after the rubbish collection. She just threw it away again.

She was pioneering when she was invited on a study. The woman was morbidly obese and talked to demons living in her house. The demons put her in hospital with a broken hip. They were angry at her for studying and threw her around the house and beat her up.

Never once was it suggested to get help from elders. The answer was always calling on the name of Jehovah and being hypervigilant about not inviting them into your life in the first place.

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In need of your advice. November broadcasting 2017

by pleaseresearch in

so my mum asked me to watch the broadcast and to my astonishment i got through it without smashing my screen haha.. so i let her know what liars they are for saying they would never deliberately distort a quotation.. she is ok for me to give her some printouts of watchtower material where this has in fact happened, contry to what they say.. where should i start and what would be your best link, or way to approach this.

i think this is a good opportunity of waking her up, if she can see that the broadcast has lied to her, she won't be happy.. any advice is you can give is so appreciated.. thanks everyone..

moreconfusedthanever

I hope you have success.

My mum would just say "that was then, this is now. They had some trouble with ones at bethel some time ago and they had a clean up. This is Jehovah's organization and he knows what he is doing."