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  A Mathematic Perspective on Evolution

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to apologize in advance if any of my information on the biology side of this discussion is incorrect, because unfortunately it is not my strongest scientific subject on account of my being subtly encouraged to view it with distrust.. i've recently debated the of subject of evolution with my father, i made the argument that when viewed over several million years random mutation provides a more than adequate explanation for humans having evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees.

  then he got this derisive look on his face a waved his hand saying "evolution's explanation for everything is the amount of time involved.".

  so i decided i would examine this mathematically.

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  anointed1

  Cofty,

  From all your 10 questions, 3 and 10 are the sample:

  1) 3)Why do humans and other species have broken genetic code for features that they no longer possess?

  
  10)How does creationism explain bad design like the recurrent laryngeal nerve?

  This is like asking why Shakespeare wrote “more richer” in one of his dramas? This does not help us in anyway to make conclusion about his English knowledge because he has consistently written in other parts of the dramas about richer, richer .. and richer.

  In the same way, flaws in some parts of the design is not the basis for conclusion about The Designer. Couples who have good eye-sight have given birth to child who is blind from birth and yet their other children are with good eye-sight. Then there is this situation also—both husband and wife are blind, yet gave births to children who have good eye-sight. And their next generation continues with no blind children. For all these there is localized explanation which would show that everything happens according to some law, and law presupposes The Law-giver.

  And there is no need to identify who that Law Giver is because history shows that He wants to remain unidentified.

  
  

  I know people would react to this differently—that is natural. Sight of a flower creates various responses in people. A poet is inspired to write a poem, a devotee feels like offering it to his/her God, a lover thinks of gifting it to his/her beloved, flower-merchant thinks of selling it, a scientist would think of its chemical combinations, a worm comes and eats it leaving it ugly-looking and a butterfly simply comes and enjoys its nectar … etc. But only a philosopher makes extraordinary benefit because he views flower as a symbol of unconditional love—it weaves beauty which it cannot see, spreads fragrance which it cannot smell and produces nectar which it cannot enjoy—everything what a flower does is for the benefit of others! Thus a true philosopher is motivated to exhibit this unconditional love (which is originally shown by the designer through His designs such as flower …) and people around him appreciate him as epitome of beauty, fragrance and sweetness.
  
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  A Mathematic Perspective on Evolution

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to apologize in advance if any of my information on the biology side of this discussion is incorrect, because unfortunately it is not my strongest scientific subject on account of my being subtly encouraged to view it with distrust.. i've recently debated the of subject of evolution with my father, i made the argument that when viewed over several million years random mutation provides a more than adequate explanation for humans having evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees.

  then he got this derisive look on his face a waved his hand saying "evolution's explanation for everything is the amount of time involved.".

  so i decided i would examine this mathematically.

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  anointed1

  Dear schnell,

  When I present a reasoning, if you try to get the spirit of reasoning, you benefit. If you concentrate on the words, you lose the whole point.
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  Faithful slave, new teaching

  by inbetween in

  1. watchtower
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  most of us agree, that jw doctrine, even if you accept the bible as gods word, doenst add up.. just one detail:.

  the new teaching about the fds is, that it was established, not in 1st century, but in 1914 (1919?

  ), and that jesus looked down on earth after his installment as king 1914 and choose the bible students as his organisation.. however, the new kingdom book mentioned in this weeks study, when russel and co startd to publish in newspapers from 1903 on, that jesus manouvered matters, in order to make it successful.. hm, he didnt even choose them yet as his people, but he already supported them ?.

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  anointed1

  Your question is reasonable. God will not use any religion or any book because they all can be manipulated for selfish end. Look at religious leaders—they did not teach real spirituality because of which disciples got into fight over the BIG question “who is first among them?” which led into divisions and sects (opposite of spirituality)

  Religions aim at the money of the gullible, hence they present God as the comforter of their suffering which actually discredit God because it gives the impression that He gives suffering so that people turn to Him. They really do not know why pain (and its result—suffering) exists. Pain-mechanism in our body serves a useful purpose alerting us to avoid further harm. What a disaster it would be if we do not feel pain—we will not pull away our hand or any part of body when it gets burned or injured. So is the case with suffering. When we act thoughtlessly it result in suffering which is an alerting mechanism that tells us to avoid further harm or future harm. Conversely, we act thoughtfully it result in peace and prosperity which is an alerting mechanism that tells us to continue to do what we are doing.

  In this vein of thinking, even death is a blessing. Ask: ‘What if there is no death, if one goes on growing more and more vibrant physically, perfecting his skills and talents, and even growing in money power, influence ….etc.? He would probably behave like King David described in the Bible. He was a very humble shepherd boy to start with, then climbed heights, finally became king of Israel, and he seemed invincible… then he began to add more wives and numerous women to his harem, he went to the extent of treacherously killing his faithful friend to steal his wife.

  In the backdrop of this behavior of the people, we need a mechanism that acts like a speed breaker.

  When one’s body is in reverse growth and his mind is in death-awareness, he begins to feel “I am not that important as I thought, I have no basis to feel I did or owned this and that …” which means he is now free from the shackles of wanting and from bondage to body, mind, and ego. In such a state one can see clearly all the wasteful things he did in his life. On the contrary if there is no death, self-importance of people would go on growing with each one perfecting his wickedness, and this will ensure eternal hell on earth. That means, certainty of death serves as a speed-breaker on our ego! This is why a materialistic person suddenly turns religious or philanthropic when his doctor informs him that he would soon die because of a dreaded disease just confirmed in a diagnosis and again turns materialistic if he finds out later that he was wrongly diagnosed. Interestingly, Jesus rated his cousin John the Baptist as the greatest “among those born of women” (Luke 7:28) because of his simplicity and fearlessness—he moved from his forest life to city and rebuked a lustful king who was leading an immoral life, knowing it would cost his life. This proves that in awareness of death one would not take himself seriously (John 3:30), but will do what his conscience asks him to do. No wonder Bible book of Ecclesiastes (chapter 7) speaks of death positively because being aware of death can make people take a U-turn from reckless pursuit of pleasure.

  Many people have already discerned this: One among them is Jonathan Swift, English satirist who wrote: “It is IMPOSSIBLE that anything so natural, so necessary, and so universal as death, should ever have been designed by providence as an evil to mankind.” Socrates had absolute clarity on this subject, hence described death as “the greatest of all human blessings” and “the greatest good that can happen” to us because it prevents one’s feeling of self-importance from growing eternally. Thus all those great men agree that remembering death is the greatest source of wisdom for any person—it guarantees that one's planning will be realistic.

  Yet religions present death as a curse and God as the redeemer of people from this “curse.” If blessing is viewed as curse, they will have this inability of understanding in all the areas they put their hands on. See when the disciples understood Jesus as the “servant of God” (Acts 3:13) the whole Christians understand him as God himself!
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  A Mathematic Perspective on Evolution

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to apologize in advance if any of my information on the biology side of this discussion is incorrect, because unfortunately it is not my strongest scientific subject on account of my being subtly encouraged to view it with distrust.. i've recently debated the of subject of evolution with my father, i made the argument that when viewed over several million years random mutation provides a more than adequate explanation for humans having evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees.

  then he got this derisive look on his face a waved his hand saying "evolution's explanation for everything is the amount of time involved.".

  so i decided i would examine this mathematically.

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  anointed1

  schnell, you asked: What's your alternative theory? What's your evidence for this alternative theory?

  Why search for the alternative theory—we have experience and evidence. I supplied sperm and my wife supplied egg—and we have two children. We have not designed sperm or egg (which obviously means someone else designed it). When we speak about design, what comes first is the DNA the code of which fills me with astonishment. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. In every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program. As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

  Just like an employer directs his employees work, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual. One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop. Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.
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  A Mathematic Perspective on Evolution

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to apologize in advance if any of my information on the biology side of this discussion is incorrect, because unfortunately it is not my strongest scientific subject on account of my being subtly encouraged to view it with distrust.. i've recently debated the of subject of evolution with my father, i made the argument that when viewed over several million years random mutation provides a more than adequate explanation for humans having evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees.

  then he got this derisive look on his face a waved his hand saying "evolution's explanation for everything is the amount of time involved.".

  so i decided i would examine this mathematically.

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  anointed1

  Cofty,

  You asked: ‘which books I have studied that presents the evidence for biological evolution not physics?

  Other than Darwin’s Origin of Species which I read long back, I have long list of books I have read prominent among them are:

  1) Theory of Island Biogeography (by E. O. Wilson and Robert MacArthur)

  2) The Red Queen and Genome: A Species in 23 Chapters." (Matt Ridley)

  3) The greatest show on Earth (by Richard Dawkins)

  4) Selfish Gene (by Richard Dawkins)

  5) Why Evolution is True (by Jerry A. Coyne)

  My rating of these books is that writers are sincere people who believe first evolution as fact, and then search for evidence. But that doesn’t make them better than creationists. Besides I also read books written by Former Evolutionists who now believe in creation, and they all share this interesting view:

  "The theory of evolution is not believed because of scientific evidence. It is believed DESPITE scientific evidence. Science is against the theory of evolution."

  http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v5i10f.htm

  I have observed evolutionist and creationist, capitalist and communist, JWs and Catholics are arguing—they are all concerned with protecting their own interest, not facts.
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  A Mathematic Perspective on Evolution

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to apologize in advance if any of my information on the biology side of this discussion is incorrect, because unfortunately it is not my strongest scientific subject on account of my being subtly encouraged to view it with distrust.. i've recently debated the of subject of evolution with my father, i made the argument that when viewed over several million years random mutation provides a more than adequate explanation for humans having evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees.

  then he got this derisive look on his face a waved his hand saying "evolution's explanation for everything is the amount of time involved.".

  so i decided i would examine this mathematically.

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  anointed1

  Among the many books I have read, one that made some sense is

  The Theory of Almost Everything: The Standard Model, the Unsung Triumph of Modern Physics

  However, arguments presented in this book are not convincing.
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  A Mathematic Perspective on Evolution

  by Saethydd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to apologize in advance if any of my information on the biology side of this discussion is incorrect, because unfortunately it is not my strongest scientific subject on account of my being subtly encouraged to view it with distrust.. i've recently debated the of subject of evolution with my father, i made the argument that when viewed over several million years random mutation provides a more than adequate explanation for humans having evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees.

  then he got this derisive look on his face a waved his hand saying "evolution's explanation for everything is the amount of time involved.".

  so i decided i would examine this mathematically.

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  anointed1

  Saethydd,

  There is some depth in your argument. Unguided evolution and mutation succeeding against the all-pervasive force of entropy that rules the material world is really a more amazing miracle than creation. The only place where evolution makes sense is Bible because it presents a God who evolved:

  1) He gave a garden of pleasure to first human couple—but they turned unfaithful

  2) He flooded the earth and cleansed the earth of wickedness—yet Noah turned drunkard, cursed Canan that paved the way for slavery

  3) He dried the Jordan river so that Israelites could take over the promised land and performed many other miracles—yet Israelites turned unfaithful

  4) He sent His son who performed many miracles—yet people killed him

  Such unappreciative acts made Him evolve into a God who decided that He would perform no more miracles
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  COs are like parrots, can’t handle questions of dynamic nature!

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
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  when i was a zealous publisher, once i took co for a return visit to learn how he handles difficult questions.

  house holder brought the subject of joshua secretly sending two spies to spy out the city of jericho before its planned conquest, and asked: “wasn’t joshua acting in a human way here?

  why would joshua need to send spies if he was the commander-in-chief appointed by god the almighty?”.

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  millie210

  I called him over phone and made him read your comments. He sends his heart-felt appreciation to you.
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  Reading From The Same Book?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
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  i'm reading a brief book -- a critical analysis -- of muhammad and islam.

  the following sounded familiar:.

  as the cult steadily grew, muhammad strictly forbade followers to keep contact with family members in mecca or even befriend unbelievers.

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  anointed1

  viewed from this context, atheists are the God’s gifts to mankind—without them the world would have been reeling under extremist religious leaders.
  
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  COs are like parrots, can’t handle questions of dynamic nature!

  by anointed1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a zealous publisher, once i took co for a return visit to learn how he handles difficult questions.

  house holder brought the subject of joshua secretly sending two spies to spy out the city of jericho before its planned conquest, and asked: “wasn’t joshua acting in a human way here?

  why would joshua need to send spies if he was the commander-in-chief appointed by god the almighty?”.

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  Quarterback

  I missed your question about the CO.

  He somehow got deleted or stepped down—he is almost like inactive one. His religious view itself was changed over the period. Sometime back he told me: “Working with a religion is like working in the office world. If someone wants to be better, that one needs to take classes, certifications, read books, gather concepts, ideas to talk the talk. It is all about gathering information. That does not work in ‘spirituality.’ Spirituality is being in harmony with the nature, living Life with joy. Look at the particles—they are all dancing; and everything is made with particle, hence basis of everything is joy. Religion has no role to play other than making money.”