Posts by GodBeliever

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Will JWs get DFed if they are caught with old JW publications?

by mickbobcat in

i was told that if a jw now gets caught reading or with old jw literature they can get dfed.

i doubt this is true but wanted to know for sure.

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Do you think “Eventually” the Whole World will become Socialist?

by pistolpete in

when i say; “socialist” i don’t mean everyone is equal.

instead i am referring to “leaders” being rich and powerful, whereas the ordinary citizen being poor, and powerless.. i was surprise that the majority of the world is run by socialist government.

the last few countries that are not socialist are the united states and parts of europe.

I lived in a communist country. In the beginning they got rid of all the elites (intellectuals and politicians), they banned religion and other ideologies not in line with the state's party. Then they started to raise into power simple and uneducated people loyal to the communist party. Next generation was brainwashed and persuaded that communism is better than capitalism. They portrayed capitalism as ruthless and unfair. They gave people everything for free: housing, schooling, healthcare. Eventually, they run out of money and collapsed. Everything was like a big concentration camp. One in ten people was giving info to the state's security. There was proximity militia in every neighbourhood. There was perfect control. And you will be surprised that the vast majority of people were happy with that situation. The little dissent was easy to silence. Corruption was everywhere. Their biggest problem was money. They were not very good at making anything profitable.

However, China seems to be the ultimate authoritarian state. Communist leadership powered by capitalist economy. Time will tell.

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73 years old, a Witness for 48 years, an elder for 24 years, Baptized just before 1975. WOKE UP!

by pistolpete in

i thought i would post an encouraging experience i found today.

i've been seeing a lot of 70-80 year old jws waking up, and their children are posting their experience on reddit.

these are old elders, pioneers, circuit overseers who have given their everything and finally at the end of their life, are walking away.. maybe the key to waking up is that a person has to have a deep sense of right and wrong.

GodBeliever

Magnum

It's ok. Even if it was an insult, I hardly take any offense nowadays. In general we don't have anything in particular with people. It's ideas and doctrines we don't agree with that bothers us the most (especially when they are forced upon us). But as you said we need to keep an open mind and try to figure out for ourselves what is going on, considering the limited amount of time we have in this life. Not everything is what it appears to be. (See Plato's allegory of the cave). When you start to doubt the Bible's content and authenticity everything falls apart. It's important to come to the conclusion whether the Bible's content make sense or not. We tend to be curious about our existence and we try to look around us for different sources of information. I believe Jesus was special in human history. His message was simple but he managed to distroy all the gods of the mighty Roman empire. We even count the time since He was born. It is very debatable to say that we are the only form of intelligent life in this univers. And everything is to complex to be random. (At least this is my perception of reality, which I believe is true)

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73 years old, a Witness for 48 years, an elder for 24 years, Baptized just before 1975. WOKE UP!

by pistolpete in

i thought i would post an encouraging experience i found today.

i've been seeing a lot of 70-80 year old jws waking up, and their children are posting their experience on reddit.

these are old elders, pioneers, circuit overseers who have given their everything and finally at the end of their life, are walking away.. maybe the key to waking up is that a person has to have a deep sense of right and wrong.

GodBeliever

Magnum

If you insult me what difference does it make. You don't know anything about me. So feel free to imagine whatever you like.

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73 years old, a Witness for 48 years, an elder for 24 years, Baptized just before 1975. WOKE UP!

by pistolpete in

i thought i would post an encouraging experience i found today.

i've been seeing a lot of 70-80 year old jws waking up, and their children are posting their experience on reddit.

these are old elders, pioneers, circuit overseers who have given their everything and finally at the end of their life, are walking away.. maybe the key to waking up is that a person has to have a deep sense of right and wrong.

GodBeliever

I am applying it to GB.

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73 years old, a Witness for 48 years, an elder for 24 years, Baptized just before 1975. WOKE UP!

by pistolpete in

i thought i would post an encouraging experience i found today.

i've been seeing a lot of 70-80 year old jws waking up, and their children are posting their experience on reddit.

these are old elders, pioneers, circuit overseers who have given their everything and finally at the end of their life, are walking away.. maybe the key to waking up is that a person has to have a deep sense of right and wrong.

GodBeliever

Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah, are these. For if ye thoroughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye thoroughly execute justice between a man and his neighbor. Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods that ye have not known, and come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered; that ye may do all these abominations? Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it, saith Jehovah.

Jeremiah 7:4‭-‬11 ASV

A son honoreth his father, and a servant his master: if then I am a father, where is mine honor? and if I am a master, where is my fear? saith Jehovah of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name? Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar. And ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of Jehovah is contemptible.

Malachi 1:6‭-‬7 ASV

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 Peter 3:15‭-‬18 ASV

to the end that ye be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by epistle as from us, as that the day of the Lord is just at hand; let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be , except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, he that opposeth and exalteth himself against all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he sitteth in the temple of God, setting himself forth as God.

2 Thessalonians 2:2‭-‬4 ASV

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Hypocritical Stance of Jehovah`s Witnesses Over The Years.

by smiddy3 in

i`m thinking of times when the jw organization has been hypocritical in their beliefs / practices .

they make sure they are no part of christendom in any way shape or form ,the understanding the r&f have of the organization.. the r&f members are not to have any dealings with christendoms religions in business or otherwise.. but what does the jw organization do ?

they sell watchtower property to christendoms churches for profit .. the r&f are to be separate from the world and call the league of nations and it`s successor the united nations the counterfeit kingdom of god ,the abhorrent thing standing in the place of god ?.

GodBeliever

In the 1940's when Watchtower was a corporation regarded religion as coming from Satan (It must be, since all the divisions it created, the lies it spreads and the exploitation that bring upon people ). However, early in the 1950's something happened and being religion became acceptable as long as it was "true religion". I was wondering if this new interpretation had anything to do with the fact that religious organisations are subject to tax exemptions and government subsidies? The European Court ruled against France in a case concerning a tax demand claimed from the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The amount: over 57.5 million euro. (It seems they do not remember what Jesus said about giving Caesar's what belongs Caesar's and God's what belongs God's) The exception was considered on religious grounds. I wonder what they do with all the money they save this way? I doubt they give it away to the poor or lifetime pioneers. They might use them in building a multimillion state of the art headquarters with all the leisure facilities so they can enjoy themselves.

I don't know. Is that hypocrisy?

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So What Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Do Now?

by minimus in

jw
friends

they don’t go to conventions .

they don’t go to assemblies.

they don’t go to meetings.

GodBeliever

LV101

Hi GodBeliever - are you quoting scripture(s) from the NWT or another version?

I would quote from most existing versions doesn't make much difference. However, I am a bit sceptical about NWT. I believe is biased and was done in order to support some WT doctrinal changes. In some situations a single word misinterpreted can make a huge difference.

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So What Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Do Now?

by minimus in

jw
friends

they don’t go to conventions .

they don’t go to assemblies.

they don’t go to meetings.

GodBeliever

Through Him then, let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that give thanks to His name.

Their preaching work is not approved by God anyway, because acording to WT original teachings their "lips are not clean" and their "sacrifice of praise" is not being received.

Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

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Elders Remove Excellent Speaker

by Vanderhoven7 in

great talk interrupted.... https://youtu.be/hlgwyfhtihm.

GodBeliever

We will know by this that we are of the truth, and will assure our heart before Him in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1 John 3:19‭-‬24