Posts by GodBeliever

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Military Service Confusion

by Sea Breeze in

can someone please call these three guys and tell them that the first gentile christian was an active duty roman military officer named cornelius.

these guys have been locked up for 25 years!.

"Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.” Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this purpose I have been born, and for this I have come into the world: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice.” Pilate *said to Him, “What is truth?”John 17:14‭, ‬17

"I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth."

John 18:36‭-‬38
"For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, even penetrating as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him to whom we must answer."
Hebrews 4:12‭-‬13

"And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross."
Philippians 2:8

"For you have been called for this purpose, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you would follow in His steps, He who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; and while being abusively insulted, He did not insult in return; while suffering, He did not threaten, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously;"
1 Peter 2:21‭-‬23

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist on the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Stand firm therefore, having belted your waist with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having strapped on your feet the preparation of the gospel of peace; in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."
Ephesians 6:12‭-‬17

"If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints."
Revelation 13:10

"Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life."
Revelation 2:10

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

GodBeliever

Is Jesus presence not part of my faith?

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

John 4:22‭, ‬25‭-‬26

"So too, you also must be prepared, for at an hour you do not expect, the Son of Man will come. “Who, then, is the faithful and prudent servant, whom the master has put in charge of his household to distribute to them their food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master on his arrival finds doing so."

We need to listen to what Jesus has to say at his second coming too. According to this scripture the will be more truths revealed at Jesus's second coming. We need to pay attention and act accordingly. It's part of our faith.

Matthew 24:44‭-‬46

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

GodBeliever

https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:32157377-e0f5-3531-afa6-dec4eda3572b

Hi Vanderhoven.

I don't know JWs current teachings on how someone can be saved, but this book(Salvation, 1939) will give you the answers, if you think is worth reading it. According to the bible, I believe that we have no personal merit in regards to our salvation. However, when we get to know God we need to live by his commandments. Someone cannot say "I believe" and everything stops there. It's more than that. Afterwards, we need to live as Jesus lived.

"whoever claims to abide in him ought to live [just] as he lived."

1 John 2:6

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How To Talk About Interpretation With Jehovah's Witnesses.

by Vanderhoven7 in

this from my book: good news for jehovah's witnesses.

before we discuss any doctrinal issues, i would like to distinguish between what i believe is proper versus improper interpretive practice.... so you know what i can accept as biblical and what i can't accept.. basic guidelines for validating doctrinal claims`).

i. there must be at least one scriptural reference that can be cited for support of any doctrinal claim or position.. ii.

GodBeliever

Agree

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How To Talk About Interpretation With Jehovah's Witnesses.

by Vanderhoven7 in

this from my book: good news for jehovah's witnesses.

before we discuss any doctrinal issues, i would like to distinguish between what i believe is proper versus improper interpretive practice.... so you know what i can accept as biblical and what i can't accept.. basic guidelines for validating doctrinal claims`).

i. there must be at least one scriptural reference that can be cited for support of any doctrinal claim or position.. ii.

GodBeliever

"Over 20 Questions posed by the illustrious VDH on ONE post. That's why I refuse to discuss anything with him. Things never get anywhere because he seldom gets the answer he wants and then accuses others of NOT answering questions".

"For the Lord has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep. He has shut your eyes (the prophets) and covered your heads (the seers). For you the vision of all this has become like the words of a sealed scroll. When it is handed to one who can read, with the request, “Read this,” the reply is, “I cannot, because it is sealed.” When the scroll is handed to one who cannot read, with the request, “Read this,” the reply is, “I cannot read.” The Lord said: Since this people draws near with words only and honors me with their lips alone, though their hearts are far from me, And fear of me has become mere precept of human teaching, Therefore I will again deal with this people in surprising and wondrous fashion: The wisdom of the wise shall perish, the prudence of the prudent shall vanish. Ah! You who would hide a plan too deep for the Lord! Who work in the dark, saying, “Who sees us, who knows us?”
Isaiah 29:10‭-‬15

"Yet we do speak a wisdom to those who are mature, but not a wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age who are passing away. Rather, we speak God’s wisdom, mysterious, hidden, which God predetermined before the ages for our glory, But as it is written: “What eye has not seen, and ear has not heard, and what has not entered the human heart, what God has prepared for those who love him,” this God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit scrutinizes everything, even the depths of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit that is from God, so that we may understand the things freely given us by God. And we speak about them not with words taught by human wisdom, but with words taught by the Spirit, describing spiritual realities in spiritual terms.
1 Corinthians 2:6‭-‬7‭, ‬9‭-‬10‭, ‬12‭-‬13

"I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Matthew 23:39

Nobody can see Jesus again if they do not accept his newly established kingdom in heaven.

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

GodBeliever

Hi Boogerman,

I am not posting here to convince anyone of my beliefs. You can't make anyone believe something unless they are willing to believe. You see : "faith is the certainty of things hoped for, a proof of things not seen. For by it the people of old gained approval. By faith we understand that the world has been created by the word of God so that what is seen has not been made out of things that are visible. And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for the one who comes to God must believe that He exists, and that He proves to be One who rewards those who seek Him." Hebrews 11:1‭-‬3‭, "

"We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. But the one who is spiritual discerns all things, yet he himself is discerned by no one."1 Cor 2:13‭-‬15 ‬

"for we walk by faith, not by sight"—2 Cor.

"Now He was questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, and He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs that can be observed; nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”Luke 17:20‭-‬21

Only those who are part of the kingdom of God can see it.

Just wanted to point out the precarious position of Governing Body which is unable to support their standing with Jehovah's witnesses original understanding of the bible. As a consequence they keep changing those teachings becoming ridiculous. I hope people from inside the organisation who are honest with Jehovah and Jesus and even themselves to figure that out.

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

GodBeliever

When I said they have fallen under the influence of Satan I meant the leadership. Otherwise I believe there are many honest and good people in the faith.

‘For wicked people are found among My people, They watch like fowlers lying in wait; They set a trap, They catch people. ‘Like a cage full of birds, So their houses are full of deceit; Therefore they have become great and rich. ‘They are fat, they are sleek, They also excel in deeds of wickedness; They do not plead the cause, The cause of the orphan, so that they may be successful; And they do not defend the rights of the poor. ‘Shall I not punish them for these things?’ declares the Lord, ‘Or shall I not avenge Myself On a nation such as this?’ ¶“An appalling and horrible thing Has happened in the land: The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule on their own authority; And My people love it this way! But what will you do when the end comes?

Jeremiah 5:26‭-‬31

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

GodBeliever

Boogerman

This is my answer to your question.

Why Jehovah's witnesses?

Apostle John had a vision in revelation 17, where he was shown a prostitute sitting on many waters and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery: “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."Revelation 17:5 , and of this woman who is drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered greatly.
Revelation 17:6.

She is not guilty of murdering only the saints but also of a lot of other innocent people throughout history by causing war and by keeping people away from the truths of the bible so they can't find salvation in the blood of Christ.
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Then a strong angel picked up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will never be found again. and the light of a lamp will never shine in you again; and the voice of the groom and bride will never be heard in you again; for your merchants were the powerful people of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your witchcraft. And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Revelation 18:21‭, ‬23‭-‬24
John identified this prostitute as the city of Rome. And he *said to me, “The waters which you saw where the prostitute sits are peoples and multitudes, and nations and languages. The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
Revelation 17:15‭, ‬18 .
If you follow the course of history you will see that the roman empire adopted christianity and eventually became The today Romano catholic church which is based in Rome at Vatican. This religious institution grew strong and for long time controlled the world through different European powers. They also continued to teach pagan doctrines and follow pagan and roman traditions. They even used the same oppression techniques as the bloodthirsty roman empire.
God does not accept such institution.

God tells his people to flee out of "Babylon" this church empire that caused so much suffering. "The Lord has bared His holy arm In the sight of all the nations, So that all the ends of the earth may see The salvation of our God. Depart, depart, go out from there, Do not touch what is unclean; Go out of the midst of her, purify yourselves, You who carry the vessels of the Lord."Isaiah 52:10‭-‬11
“Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive any of her plagues; for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her offenses.
Revelation 18:4‭-‬5
Although other protestant movements left the catholic church, " Babylon the great", only Jehovah's witnesses listened to God's comand not to touch anything on their way out while fleeing.
As for all the others, they took all or some with them from the catholic church such as pagan doctrines and traditions which God do not accept.

"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; But their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Matthew 15:8‭-‬9. And Paul also said this to the Corinthians who became Christians but they were still respecting pagan traditions."However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are not gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles, to which you want to be enslaved all over again? You meticulously observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.
Galatians 4:8‭-‬11
For the radical position Jehovah's witnesses adopted regarding anything coming from the catholic church, they were harshly punished and falsely accused.
"The beliefs and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses have engendered controversy throughout their history. Consequently, the denomination has been opposed by local governments, communities, and religious groups. Many Christian denominations consider the interpretations and doctrines of Jehovah's Witnesses heretical, and some professors of religion have classified the denomination as a cult.[1][2]

According to law professor Archibald Cox, Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States were "the principal victims of religious persecution … they began to attract attention and provoke repression in the 1930s, when their proselytizing and numbers rapidly increased."[3] At times, political and religious animosity against Jehovah's Witnesses has led to mob action and governmental repression in various countries including the United States, Canada and Nazi Germany."

Nobody can deny that late 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century humanity went through the most spectacular transformation in its entire history. I believe that coincides with the second coming of Jesus in heaven and the start of His kingdom. Jehovah's witnesses are the ones Jesus have chosen to announce the Kingdom message.

However lately the have fell under the Satan influence as the bible predicted and they have become part of the world (the evil slave that is mentioned in the bible)

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

GodBeliever

Hi Vanderhoven,

For there is no good tree that bears bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree that bears good fruit. For each tree is known by its own fruit. For people do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush. The good person out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil person out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.
Luke 6:43‭-‬45
Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I am going to the Father.
John 14:12
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. Beloved, I urge you as foreigners and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts, which wage war against the soul. Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God on the day of visitation.
1 Peter 2:9‭-‬12

What use is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? In the same way, faith also, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. But are you willing to acknowledge, you foolish person, that faith without works is useless? You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
James 2:14‭-‬20‭, ‬22‭-‬24

Faith and good works are inseparable.

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Wrong Religion

by Vanderhoven7 in

we brainstormed a while back on this forum and pooled our knowledge on how to recognize false religion.

i think the list is worth reviewing and adding to if possible.

please feel free to correct and or add insights of your own to this list:.

GodBeliever

I believe all to be corect.