Posts by Irishdub

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A new theme of this years convention has been annonced!

by The freewheeling in

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Jesus Christ dead for three days and three nights really?

by Crazyguy in

has anyone done a detail research on this subject?

the gospels seem to contradict one another and christians apologists have a bunch of different ways to try to explain away the problems.

has anyone have a concrete explanation for or against him truly being dead three days and three nights as the story goes?.

Irishdub

CrazyGuy Has anyone done a detail research on this subject?

The devil is in the details...

Some groups want to strain a gnat and ignore the big picture.

We can have New (overcoming) Life NOW (eternal life quality) because Jesus still lives as our second Adam, his shared inheritance. 1 john 5:9-13, ephesians 1,2,3

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

Irishdub

Sylvia: It's amazing how Bible texts come alive w/o WT filters.

They (WTS) WERE are a necessary BOOT CAMP for me, cant deny that (as a former RCC) ! but we grow up ...spiritually ..and still a work in progress..no regrets !

keep me in your prayers ...im a sinner saved by/in grace romans 5...I cant forget that !

A work in progress ..not once saved always saved, sort of sentimentality

there are more *honest people* at an AA or alanon meeting than in churches !

Irish

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

Irishdub

Sylvia : No, I'm from ALABAMA - the Black Belt area.
Snowbird is a childhood nickname

Ok ...I married a southern bell from Jacksonville FL. recently..

I have loved the Sacred Scriptures all my life.

yup, A loving letter from our Father, that we are not left in slavery, but an inheritance awaits those in Christ's inheritance (second Adam) in the New Creation through and in him ..(Ephesians ...somewhere) lol

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

Irishdub

Ah, I just love these discussions.
Acts 3, 5, 10, 13.
Sylvia/ Snowbird

Priceless ... ...Are you a snowbird in Florida ?

Im located in North Florida

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

Irishdub

TheWonderofyou ..Paraphrases like "The blood of Jesus safes us"....are hardly to explain today, does it mean the liquid, the life-principle, or does shedded blood stand for his devotion, which is represented by blood, the whole life-work of Jesus

Brilliant ! simply put in ONE word ..*OBEDIENCE*

letter to Hebrews (NT) is a masterpiece of metaphors and analogies ..imho .luv it !

ALL *good thoughts* that inspire *good motivations* in us

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

Irishdub

Doug : If God "gave his Son", then Judas, the High Priests, and the Romans were the good people, doing God's work.

My thoughts ..Please advise ;)

Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won't you first sit down and estimate the cost Luke 14:28 (Divine Mind calculates multiple variables / Schrödinger's cat ? ..Isaiah 55:11)

Eternal (hidden) Plan (pre-Edan ) For...Children of God as perfected images..mind and incorruptible bodies...Ephesians chapters 1,2,3,

Adam was only a *type* of the ONE to come.romans 5:14 (who is the figure of him that was to come.)

Jesus had to come *EITHER WAY* due to consequences (good or bad) of free will minds. Jesus the man obtained the goal of man and for man. Matthew 17:2, psalm 8 Hebrews 2 (what is man ?)

however, free will choices showed he needed to overcome death (for man) also, at this point in his earthly life, he had already overcame the satan and sins's consequences. However, the *TYPE* of DEATH was NOT designed by God, the satan shot *himself in the foot*, as he killed (influenced others) the *AUTHOR of LIFE* ..aka HIS (the satan's) LIFE SOURCE ...Acts somewhere;)

Then Judas, the High Priests, and the Romans were the good people, doing God's work ...

*Motivations* are weighed by the Father and Jesus ...Cardio-Gnostic

cheers ..thanks again for your great prolific docs...ME JEALOUS

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

Irishdub

Sylvia The DNA from Mary, in that one case, must have been purged clean of any trace of Adamic sin.

YA ...here are my thoughts on that ....

the Body without the spirit is DEAD. (James ..somewhere lol lol)

the body is controlled by our mind/thoughts/motivation. I belive the goal of Adam and Eve was first and foremost to be in control of the their natural MORTAL bodies and its natural desires, as they *walked* (fellowshipped) with God.

The *FALL* affected their MINDS (the spirit in their minds Ephesians 4:23) God gave them over to imperfect/depraved (wrong motives) minds ( Romans ..somewhere lol )

So the Word made flesh ( John somewhere ) had no effect on HIS MIND. He had the same mortal body as Adam but under his control... He overcame temptation, evil, sin and death in a mortal body, and died as a righteous man.

For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the **likeness of sinful flesh ** to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh Romans 8:3

Some groups like SDA even suggest Christ's fleshly body was a state of Falleness / sin infected.

My thoughts are that Christ fleshly body inherited the consequences *likeness of sinful flesh* from Mary, but the main driving force is his mind and motivation from his father. A POWER, we must have, if we *WILL* to rule *self* and be like him, a perfect image of God. Galatians 2:20

As Jesus said somewhere the *flesh is of NO VALUE* it's the spirit that gives life !

So Mary was no biggie, it's the powerful motivation he now has to offer mankind, if we WILL it. 1 John 5:9-13 ..

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

Irishdub

Sylvia And, the dispute was never really resolved, but continues to this very day?

yup ...it seems Jesus put it out there, as such ! :)

If he (Christ) being his (David's) Lord, how is he his son !

it seems pretty easy to see the Christ as a prophetic figure *to come * in flesh, (from a Unitarian point of view) however, the BIGGIE is how WAS he David's *LORD* lord! Lord as an angel, or personified WORD, or YHWH ?

or maybe even *LIFE itself* not just *A LIFE*

*I am the LIFE*, the *eternal life* (quality) with the father ! NOT *IMMORTAL LIFE* from eternity ..he became immortal in a New Creation....apparently

seems like IMMORTALITY relates to *exterior stuff* like body / environment, and eternal LIFE relates to *quality* !?!?

just my thoughts ...

🤗

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A chapter on The Trinity

by Doug Mason in

as i work my way through the history of judaeo-christian salvation, i have drafted a chapter on the trinity and early christology.

as before, i am seeking corrections, advice, and suggestions.. the chapter is available at: http://www.jwstudies.com/formative_christianity_s_christological_combats.pdf.

while preparing this chapter, i realised that i am not looking at the "evolution" of soteriology.

Irishdub

Hi Doug

I have been looking for a doc. Like this forever. Excellent !

A lot to digest, a bit over my head to make any serious contributions right now, only to say it's now on my iPad, for my next (very soon) long flight back to Ireland.

Fair Dinkum mate :)

ps. There is a thread on the JW Topixs forum on *who is Jehovah* by a self proclaimed arrogant JW *annoined* named Samson, you may want to put it out there for review.