Posts by searchfothetruth

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Al-Amiriya...The Ultimate Mistake From The Last Gulf War

by ISP in

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friday, october 4, 2002. shrine to victims of tragic error.

wreaths, flags, prayers mark place where hundreds of civilians died.

seattle post-intelligencer foreign desk editor.

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The latest piece of kit that the americans plan to use is the M.O.A.B. ( mother of all bombs ).

This bomb is as long as a double decker bus and is so heavy that it cannot be loaded onto a B52 bomber.

It has over 21,000 lb's of explosives and is the most poweful non-nuclear devise. The MOAB will be dropped from a 'SAMARITAN' c-131 aircraft. (surely some symbolism there ? )

The MOAB is guided by G.P.S. It spreads a flammable mist over the target area, then ignites it covering over 1 mile radius.

And the Americans are concerned for civilian lives? I think not.

Iraq is in breach of 16 UN resolutions. Israel is in breach of over 60.

Iraq has the 2nd largest reserves of OIL after Saudi Arabia.

Methinks its about Oil and the spread of American imperialism and has nothing to do with liberating the Iraqi people from a dictator that the Americans and British funded for years.

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Ozzie's Weekend Poll #41

by ozziepost in

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well, how's your weekend goin'?

mrs ozzie's soakin' in her bubble bath, listening to the rain falling outside, and all is quiet this evenin'.

bumped into a branch committee member in the supermarket earlier today.

Elder came...grasped at straws...and left. UPDATE!

by searchfothetruth in

well i had a very interesting conversation on friday night.

sorry to be so long letting you know what happened.. only one elder turned up and i was wrong in my original thought that my mum had given him my report, it seems he was coming to ask me to study, therefore he was totally unprepared for what was about to happen to him.

but, i have to say, that he was the most honest elder i have spoke to and i'm sure you will be surprised by some of the things he said.. he started off wanting to know what made me stop going to the meetings and i related to him my experiences of a certain body of elders that had, to say the least, made me realise that they thought that they were a law unto themselves (including stealing, lying and generally being un-christian).

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I've got my tin-foil hat ready like the kids in SIGNS.

It really was a strange thing to say about dismissing the early literature. The society is forever quoting from it themselves ( millions now living...etc) but we can't look at it to see what else it says. very strange...

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Elder came...grasped at straws...and left. UPDATE!

by searchfothetruth in

well i had a very interesting conversation on friday night.

sorry to be so long letting you know what happened.. only one elder turned up and i was wrong in my original thought that my mum had given him my report, it seems he was coming to ask me to study, therefore he was totally unprepared for what was about to happen to him.

but, i have to say, that he was the most honest elder i have spoke to and i'm sure you will be surprised by some of the things he said.. he started off wanting to know what made me stop going to the meetings and i related to him my experiences of a certain body of elders that had, to say the least, made me realise that they thought that they were a law unto themselves (including stealing, lying and generally being un-christian).

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Thanks ISP (i'll pay you that fiver next time I see you)

I think it all depends on if he comes back alone ( or at all ) or if he comes back with another elder. Or I may find that the next contact I have with him is in front of a judicial commitee!

I gave him copies of all the relevant documents and thay are all scans of originals. He did at one point say that I was being fed all this info by apostates and so I am glad I could point to the originals and show it was my own research, although I wouldn't know half the stuff if it hadn't been for this site and everyones fantastic research.

What points do you think I should try and push with him if he comes back?

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Carp(e) Deus? The Word made Fish?

by Nathan Natas in

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http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,915125,00.html

word is made flesh as god reveals himself... as a fish

edward helmore new york.

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There's something fishy going on here !

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Elder came...grasped at straws...and left. UPDATE!

by searchfothetruth in

well i had a very interesting conversation on friday night.

sorry to be so long letting you know what happened.. only one elder turned up and i was wrong in my original thought that my mum had given him my report, it seems he was coming to ask me to study, therefore he was totally unprepared for what was about to happen to him.

but, i have to say, that he was the most honest elder i have spoke to and i'm sure you will be surprised by some of the things he said.. he started off wanting to know what made me stop going to the meetings and i related to him my experiences of a certain body of elders that had, to say the least, made me realise that they thought that they were a law unto themselves (including stealing, lying and generally being un-christian).

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There can't be a year zero but that didn't stop Russell ( and Seventh Day Adventists ) making the mistake of counting one. But this elder said that they made another error in counting and that counteracted the first and so they arrived at the right figure. He then said that Jehovah was obviously behind these errors. why would an all knowing God inspire people to make 2 mistakes to get to the right answer instead of just telling them the right answer in the first place?

Two wrongs do make a right then.

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Elder came...grasped at straws...and left. UPDATE!

by searchfothetruth in

well i had a very interesting conversation on friday night.

sorry to be so long letting you know what happened.. only one elder turned up and i was wrong in my original thought that my mum had given him my report, it seems he was coming to ask me to study, therefore he was totally unprepared for what was about to happen to him.

but, i have to say, that he was the most honest elder i have spoke to and i'm sure you will be surprised by some of the things he said.. he started off wanting to know what made me stop going to the meetings and i related to him my experiences of a certain body of elders that had, to say the least, made me realise that they thought that they were a law unto themselves (including stealing, lying and generally being un-christian).

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I was really getting worried at one point because he did not answer as I expected him to on a lot of points and I was wondering if he was just trying to get me to condemn myself so he could report what I was saying. ( I know I am Paranoid )

But I still can't believe some of his comments, especially about Jehovah allowing false prophecies.

AlanF, I agree with you that there isn't going to be a cull of elders, but this brother seemed genuinely convinced that there would be a clearing out. I was talking about an elder who I was working for for 2 months and he wouldn't pay me. When I went to another elder to try and sort it he said I was best to just forget it because the society forbids us from taking our brothers to court. The elder went on to tell me 2 examples of elders that he knew doing a similar thing and then saying that even if nothing gets done, Jehovah knows.

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Elder came...grasped at straws...and left. UPDATE!

by searchfothetruth in

well i had a very interesting conversation on friday night.

sorry to be so long letting you know what happened.. only one elder turned up and i was wrong in my original thought that my mum had given him my report, it seems he was coming to ask me to study, therefore he was totally unprepared for what was about to happen to him.

but, i have to say, that he was the most honest elder i have spoke to and i'm sure you will be surprised by some of the things he said.. he started off wanting to know what made me stop going to the meetings and i related to him my experiences of a certain body of elders that had, to say the least, made me realise that they thought that they were a law unto themselves (including stealing, lying and generally being un-christian).

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AlanF.

We went on to talk about the 1919 claims after reading these scriptures and I made the point as you said before, that either the whole chapter is in the future or it is all in the past. I asked for the logic that the society use to claim that these three verses are fulfilled but the others aren't. He said that the scripture isn't fulfilled but the act of choosing the faithful slave was. Obviously this then led onto trying to get any scriptural evidence about why 1919 was the year and he said that when Jesus came in 1914 there was a war in heaven and then only after the heavens were cleansed would the slave be chosen.

I then asked him straight after this when the governing body was actually founded and he said " 1971"

Now I was really confused. It took the society 72 years to set up a governing body that was supposed to have been set up in 1919. He then said that the presidents and the board of directors were the faithful slave but this arrangement was refined in 1971 and again in 2000.

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Elder came...grasped at straws...and left. UPDATE!

by searchfothetruth in

well i had a very interesting conversation on friday night.

sorry to be so long letting you know what happened.. only one elder turned up and i was wrong in my original thought that my mum had given him my report, it seems he was coming to ask me to study, therefore he was totally unprepared for what was about to happen to him.

but, i have to say, that he was the most honest elder i have spoke to and i'm sure you will be surprised by some of the things he said.. he started off wanting to know what made me stop going to the meetings and i related to him my experiences of a certain body of elders that had, to say the least, made me realise that they thought that they were a law unto themselves (including stealing, lying and generally being un-christian).

searchfothetruth

I also think that because he has been involved in the judicial hearings of child abusers he knows that the society has problems and is expecting a mass cull of elders. When this doesn't happen (which it can't) I wonder what he will think then. I don't think he would have said most of the things he said if he was with another elder.

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Elder came...grasped at straws...and left. UPDATE!

by searchfothetruth in

well i had a very interesting conversation on friday night.

sorry to be so long letting you know what happened.. only one elder turned up and i was wrong in my original thought that my mum had given him my report, it seems he was coming to ask me to study, therefore he was totally unprepared for what was about to happen to him.

but, i have to say, that he was the most honest elder i have spoke to and i'm sure you will be surprised by some of the things he said.. he started off wanting to know what made me stop going to the meetings and i related to him my experiences of a certain body of elders that had, to say the least, made me realise that they thought that they were a law unto themselves (including stealing, lying and generally being un-christian).

searchfothetruth

Thats exactly right. Anything that was brought up that the society wasn't correct in their thinking then became Jehovah's way of refining the organisation.