Posts by searchfothetruth

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

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http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=416351

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The Most Openly Corrupt World Leader.

by searchfothetruth in

the stories coming out of italy at the moment are unbelievable.. berlusconi is the italian prime minister.

he is also the countries biggest media mogul and the president of real madrid football club.. he recently telephoned a live television debate on italy's top political program and shouted at the presenter,( for daring to bring up the scandal that is facing berlusconi ) and said to him ' you are a public sector worker, know your place!'.

he then took the program off the air and sacked the presenter.

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The stories coming out of Italy at the moment are unbelievable.

Berlusconi is the Italian Prime Minister. He is also the countries biggest media mogul and the President of Real Madrid football club.

He recently telephoned a live television debate on Italy's top political program and shouted at the presenter,( for daring to bring up the scandal that is facing Berlusconi ) and said to him ' You are a public sector worker, know your place!'

He then took the program off the air and sacked the presenter. So much for freedom of speech.

He was answering questions yesterday in front of a commitee, about bribes for judges etc and stated that in Italy, all men are equal, but he was more equal than others! Yes, he actually said it.

His political allies are rushing through parliament measures to make him immune to prosecution.

The people want him out, but of course this is democracy at work.

	Berlusconi awaits immunity ruling
	News Headlines: World
	Published: 17-Jun-03; 15:02 By: ITN
	Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, on trial over corruption charges, has taken the stand for the last time before Italy's parliament is due to vote him immunity and freeze the trial. The trial centres on accusations that he paid off judges to influence the privatisation of food company SME in the 1980s. He denies the charges and says he is the victim of politically motivated, left-wing magistrates. The SME sale was overseen by Romano Prodi, the EU Commission president who was then the head of Italian state industries. Taking the stand, Berlusconi ridiculed the accusations and said his detractors are only interested in wrecking his reputation. "There is no evidence, no proof or testimony and there is no motive," Berlusconi said in a defiant, 70-minute statement. It is only his second appearance at the three-year-old trial. He will not have to return for the foreseeable future if, as expected, parliament approves a bill tomorrow that will shield him from prosecution while he remains in office. After Berlusconi's speech, which was shown live on state television, the judges adjourned the session until June 25, aware that the trial will have to be postponed indefinitely once parliament approves the immunity bill. Under the terms of the bill, magistrates will be able to investigate accusations of wrongdoing against Italy's top five institutional figures, including the prime minister and president, but will not be able to bring them to trial. This means Berlusconi will be safe from prosecution until he leaves elected office, scheduled for 2006.

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Poll suggests world hostile to US

by Simon in

an interesting read:.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2994924.stm.

some key bits:.

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Poll suggests world hostile to US......

I wonder why?

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Iran will have a nuclear weapon next year

by JH in

us accumulates evidence of irans nuclear violations.

debkafile special report.

june 16, 2003, 4:47 pm (gmt+02:00).

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So where have we heard this before?

Don't forget, Iraq was capable of attacking the west in 45 mins, according to Blair/Bush....do you believe this too?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/52861/1.ashx

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The kind of Man GWBush is.

by Yerusalyim in

at walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.

he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.

the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?

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Yeru

My dislike of GW Bush started when he 'stole' the election. All the evidence is there, you just need to read it.

His involvement in the Enron scandal, for one and his insider trading. Then he gets up and does a speech about 'corporate responsibility'...you just couldn't make it up!

All you have to do is read my posting history to see what my opinion of GW Bush is.

The man is a disgrace as a leader of a great country, and you all should be ashamed that he is still in power.

What do you think of this, comments please.

Bush A Revisionist Aggressor? By Bob Barnes
[email protected]

6-17-3

The following is from a Reuters story currently topping the headlines on the Yahoo homepage...

"Now there are some who would like to rewrite history; revisionist historians is what I like to call them," Bush said in a speech to New Jersey business leaders.

Referring to the ousted Iraqi president, Bush said, "Saddam Hussein... was a threat to America and the free world in '91, in '98, in 2003. He continually ignored the demands of the free world, so the United States and friends and allies acted."

The president did not mention Iraqi unconventional weapons in his remarks, although accusations Iraq had chemical and biological weapons were central to his prewar campaign to build support for an attack. No such weapons have yet been found.

I happen to be of the ilk who believes we were right to take powerful action against the Hussein regime. But from the start, I said President Bush was giving the wrong reason to the American public and the world. Saddam simply wasn't doing what he agreed to do at the end of the '91 war and that was MORE than enough reason to take him down. I couldn't believe that GWB could hang a war WE started on a reason that didn't exist. But what he said today makes it look very much like he did just that.

Now, our president publicly chides his critics for "rewriting history" while in the same breath he rewrites his reason for going to war in the first place--a reason to which he has steadfastly stuck until today. Bad move! He is now--by his own definition--a "revisionist aggressor."

One of three conditions exist. Either: 1) the intelligence was right and there ARE weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in which case he should stick to his guns until they are found... 2) The weapons are NOT in Iraq and he knew it, in which case he should admit he lied to America and the world and take the beating he deserves... or 3) He really was proceeding under false intelligence, in which case Bush could simply not announce it--we the American people would be left with an insecurity this nation has never felt before. All faith in our government's ability to protect us--especially in matters of foriegn relations--would surely be lost beyond hope. If we can't trust our own messengers, how can we possibly stand behind any strategie drawn as a result of the messages?

I have exercised what is (for me) an extraordinary patience in this matter. So much hinged on either Saddam using or the US finding those weapons that I believed, if there really weren't WMDs in Iraq, by now (dispicable as it seems) we would have simply planted some and then "found" them to save face in the eyes of the free world. The fact that we've gone this long WITHOUT finding them made me believe all the more that Bush was right--the weapons were there. Until today. Now my faith in an American I respected and trusted is seriously shaken.

I believe that George W. Bush sealed his politcal fate today. If the story isn't capped off by tomorrow morning's newscasts (and that will be difficult due to the fact that such a sensational statement was made in a public speech,) many of the Bush faithful will be taking a much closer look at ALL of the politcal hats now coming into the ring.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

~~Bob Barnes

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The kind of Man GWBush is.

by Yerusalyim in

at walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.

he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.

the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?

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I thought Segway's were IMPOSSIBLE to fall off ?

Thu Jun 12, 5:41 PM ET

U.S. President George W. Bush ( news - web sites ) is pictured in this combo image falling off a Segway personal transporter on the front driveway of his parents' summer home June 12, 2003 in Kennebunkport, Maine. Bush arrived from Washington to spend the weekend with his father, former President George Bush, who celebrates his 79th birthday today and his mother Barbara. Bush was not injured in the fall. REUTERS/Jim Bourg

I suppose that proves how BALANCED this man is!

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The kind of Man GWBush is.

by Yerusalyim in

at walter reed medical center in washington dc recently the sergeant major of the army, jack tilley, was with a group of people visiting the wounded soldiers.

he saw a special forces soldier who had lost his right hand and suffered severe wounds of his face and side of his body.

the sma wanted to honor him and show him respect without offending, but what can you say or do in such a situation that will encourage and uplift?

searchfothetruth

I've just read this thread and think it's been placed in the wrong catagory.

It should be under 'JOKES AND HUMOUR' surely!

It's the funniest thread I have ever seen on this forum!

If this is what you really think of George W Bush, then there is no hope for America and the rest of the world...

Keep it up folk's, but your only trying to convince yourselves...everybody else knows what kind of man GWBush really is!

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WoMD ... so where are they?

by Simon in

now, the war is over, the weapons were not used and of course have not been found.. how threatening could they be if they did not even use them when being invaded by a massive force (of the countries they hate)?!

perhaps, as many suspect, they didn't use them because they didn't have them?.

now we're being told that we'll have to be patient and give them time to find them.

searchfothetruth

The Dog Ate My WMDs By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout Perspective 6-13-3

After several years teaching high school, I've heard all the excuses. I didn't get my homework done because my computer crashed, because my project partner didn't do their part, because I feel sick, because I left it on the bus, because I had a dance recital, because I was abducted by aliens and viciously probed. Houdini doesn't have as many tricks. No one on earth is more inventive than a high school sophomore backed into a corner and faced with a zero on an assignment.

No one, perhaps, except Bush administration officials forced now to account for their astounding claims made since September 2002 regarding Iraq's alleged weapons program.

After roughly 280 days worth of fearful descriptions of the formidable Iraqi arsenal, coming on the heels of seven years of UNSCOM weapons inspections, four years of surveillance, months of UNMOVIC weapons inspections, the investiture of an entire nation by American and British forces, after which said forces searched "everywhere" per the words of the Marine commander over there and "found nothing," after interrogating dozens of the scientists and officers who have nothing to hide anymore because Hussein is gone, after finding out that the dreaded 'mobile labs' were weather balloon platforms sold to Iraq by the British, George W. Bush and his people suddenly have a few things to answer for.

You may recall this instance where a bombastic claim was made by Bush. During his constitutionally-mandated State of the Union address on January 28, 2003, Mr. Bush said, "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent." Nearly five months later, those 500 tons are nowhere to be found. A few seconds with a calculator can help us understand exactly what this means.

500 tons of gas equals one million pounds. After UNSCOM, after UNMOVIC, after the war, after the US Army inspectors, after all the satellite surveillance, it is difficult in the extreme to imagine how one million pounds of anything could refuse to be located. Bear in mind, also, that this one million pounds is but a part of the Iraqi weapons arsenal described by Bush and his administration.

Maybe the dog ate it. Or maybe it was never there to begin with, having been destroyed years ago by the first UN inspectors and by the Iraqis themselves. Maybe we went to war on a big lie, one that killed over 3,500 Iraqi civilians to date, one that killed some 170 American soldiers, one that has been costing us one American soldier's life per day thus far.

If you listen to the Republicans on Capitol Hill, however, this is all just about "politics." An in-depth investigation into how exactly we came to go to war on the WMD word of the Bush administration has been quashed by the Republican majority in the House of Representatives. Closed-door hearings by the Intelligence Committee are planned next week, but an open investigation has been shunted aside by Bush allies who control the gavel and the agenda. If there is nothing to hide, as the administration insists, if nothing was done wrong, one must wonder why they fear to have these questions asked in public.

The questions are being asked anyway. Thirty five Representatives have signed House Resolution 260, which demands with specificity that the administration back up it's oft-repeated claims about the Iraqi weapons arsenal with evidence and fact. The guts of the Resolution are as follows:

Resolved, That the President is requested to transmit to the House of Representatives not later than 4 days after the date of the adoption of this resolution documents or other materials in the President's possession that provides specific evidence for the following claims relating to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction:

(1) On August 26, 2002, the Vice President in a speech stated: `Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction . . . What he wants is time, and more time to husband his resources to invest in his ongoing chemical and biological weapons program, and to gain possession of nuclear weapons.'

(2) On September 12, 2002, in a speech to the United Nations General Assembly, the President stated: `Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon.'

(3) On October 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati, Ohio, the President stated: `It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons.'

(4) On January 7, 2003, the Secretary of Defense at a press briefing stated: `There is no doubt in my mind but that they currently have chemical and biological weapons.'

(5) On January 9, 2003, in his daily press briefing, the White House spokesperson stated: 'We know for a fact that there are weapons there Iraq.'

(6) On March 16, 2003, in an appearance on NBC's `Meet The Press', the Vice President stated: `We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. El Baradei frankly is wrong.'

(7) On March 17, 2003, in an Address to the Nation, the President stated: `Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.'

(8) On March 21, 2003, in his daily press briefing the White House spokesperson stated: `Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly.all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.'

(9) On March 24, 2003, in an appearance on CBS's `Face the Nation', the Secretary of Defense stated: `We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established.'

(10) On March 30, 2003, in an appearance on ABC's `This Week', the Secretary of Defense stated: `We know where they are, they are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.'

On June 10, 2003, Representative Henry Waxman transmitted a letter to Condoleezza Rice demanding answers to a specific area of concern in this whole mess. His letter goes on to repeat, in scathing detail, the multifaceted claims made by the Bush administration regarding an Iraqi nuclear weapons program, and deconstructs those claims with a fine scalpel. "What I want to know is the answer to a simple question: Why did the President use forged evidence in the State of the Union address?" the letter concludes. "This is a question that bears directly on the credibility of the United States, and it should be answered in a prompt and forthright manner, with full disclosure of all the relevant facts."

It is this aspect, the nuclear claims, that has led the Bush administration to do what many observers expected them to do for a while now: They have blamed it all on the CIA. A report in the June 12, 2003 edition of the Washington Post cites an unnamed Bush administration official who claims that the CIA knew the evidence of Iraqi nuclear plans had been forged, but that CIA failed to give this information to Bush. The Post story states, "A senior intelligence official said the CIA's action was the result of 'extremely sloppy' handling of a central piece of evidence in the administration's case against then-Iraqi President Saddam Hussein."

Ergo, it wasn't the dog who ate the WMDs. It was the CIA. Unfortunately for Bush and his people, this blame game will not hold water.

Early in October of 2002, Bush went before the American people and delivered yet another vat of nightmarish descriptions of what Saddam Hussein could do to America and the world with his vast array of weaponry. One week before this speech, however, the CIA had publicly stated that Hussein and Iraq were less of a threat than they had been for the last ten years.

Columnist Robert Scheer reported on October 9, 2002, that, "In its report, the CIA concludes that years of U.N. inspections combined with U.S. and British bombing of selected targets have left Iraq far weaker militarily than in the 1980s, when it was supported in its war against Iran by the United States. The CIA report also concedes that the agency has no evidence that Iraq possesses nuclear weapons."

Certainly, if citizen Scheer was able to read and understand the CIA report on Iraq's nuclear capabilities, the President of the United States could easily do so as well.

The scandal which laid Bill Clinton low centered around his lying under oath about sex. The scandal which took down Richard Nixon was certainly more profound, as he was accused of misusing the CIA and FBI to spy on political opponents while paying off people to lie about his actions. Lying under oath and misusing the intelligence community are both serious transgressions, to be sure. The matter of Iraq's weapons program, however, leaves both of these in deep shade.

George W. Bush and his people used the fear and terror that still roils within the American people in the aftermath of September 11 to fob off an unnerving fiction about a faraway nation, and then used that fiction to justify a war that killed thousands and thousands of people.

Latter-day justifications about 'liberating' the Iraqi people or demonstrating the strength of America to the world do not obscure this fact. They lied us into a war that, beyond the death toll, served as the greatest Al Qaeda recruiting drive in the history of the world. They lied about a war that cost billions of dollars which could have been better used to bolster America's amazingly substandard anti-terror defenses. They are attempting, in the aftermath, to misuse the CIA by blaming them for all of it.

Blaming the CIA will not solve this problem, for the CIA is well able to defend itself. Quashing investigations in the House will not stem the questions that come now at a fast and furious clip.

They lied. Period. Trust a teacher on this. We can spot liars who have not done their homework a mile away.

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William Rivers Pitt [email protected] is a New York Times best-selling author of two books - "War On Iraq" available now from Context Books, and "The Greatest Sedition is Silence," now available from Pluto Press at www.SilenceIsSedition.com. Scott Lowery contributed research to this report.

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Noam Chomsky: What's Happening?

by Abaddon in

jw
friends

interesting interview with noam chomsky.. i would find it infinately preferable if people would read the article (if they are interested) and address issues in the article.

whilst people are perfectly free to say;.

not fair!

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Abaddon

I think that sums up all that we have been saying for the last few months.

Thanks

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What is wrong with America?

by Tyler in

now i am in england, so first ill explain why i am criticising america and not my own country.

america is taking over the world.

this is a fact.

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Teenyuck,

Do you realise how proud you've made me putting my name in with all the free-thinkers on this board.

I'm SO proud to be Anti-War and Anti-Bush.

Thanks.