Posts by schnell

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John 20:25 nails, JW artwork.

by pleaseresearch in

a topic discussed many times i'm sure.

my brother a current jw saw this once and went to the elders in the hall.

they too were a little surprised by really examining that scripture.

Berean Literal Bible
So the other disciples were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the mark of the nails, and put my finger into the mark of the nails, and put my hands into His side, I will never believe."

New American Standard Bible
So the other disciples were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe."

King James Bible
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

Edit: Let's not forget Psalms because this is supposed to be prophetic, right? Right?

Psalm 22:16
For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet.

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Jehovah's Limp Witnesses Pointed Me to JW.org When I Was Willing to Talk

by steve2 in

several months ago i approached a nice young couple who were standing by a jw literature stand in my local community.

they were pleasant and polite but incredibly stilted when it came to answering my "innocent" questions about their beliefs.

this was the occasion of jws featuring the article headlined "is religion dying?".

schnell

Oh, I don't know. There's a reason we had the Theocratic Ministry School in the first place, and why testimony cards were done away with. As intellectually inbred and disadvantaged as these guys are, at least they could find Deuteronomy if a judge asked them to in court.

However, the tracts are just testimony cards. If your testimony and ministry can be summed up in a QR code, it probably isn't as profound as the staunchest believers might think it is.

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Jehovah - I don't like you.

by berrygerry in

schnell

Nathan, you're right, we really shouldn't stoop to the Watchtower's level.

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Jehovah God Is Not Real

by Onager in

there are many of us on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists.. i think this is a great and wonderful thing to be celebrated!

i'd like people to list the reasons why they do not believe that jehovah exists.

this is open to all, not just atheists or agnostics, but anyone that believes that the god as put forward by jw.org does not and can not be real.. i'll start: .

schnell

@Urvince, cool. So Jehovah is partial after all.

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Jehovah - I don't like you.

by berrygerry in

schnell

I'm just morbidly curious. Are there any ex-JWs named Joe Hoover? Because that would be amazing.

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Jehovah God Is Not Real

by Onager in

there are many of us on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists.. i think this is a great and wonderful thing to be celebrated!

i'd like people to list the reasons why they do not believe that jehovah exists.

this is open to all, not just atheists or agnostics, but anyone that believes that the god as put forward by jw.org does not and can not be real.. i'll start: .

schnell

The god of the Bible is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. This is a logical fallacy, but Jehovah's Witnesses's explanation that he has "selective knowledge" is even more ridiculous. By that logic, Jehovah is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and ignorant.

Also, where is he? He is said to be a personal god living only in Heaven, but he is described as omnipresent and "roaming about the earth". If he is omnipresent AND he works through people on earth, then logically God is a metaphor for something inside each of us. Yet Jehovah's Witnesses deny this and say that He Who Causes to Become is a personal god who lives in Heaven, an invisible spirit realm never to be identified. (Though the Pleiades was offered as one possibility before it was rejected, and I've recently heard hypotheses that he lives in an alternate universe outside of the Big Bang, which is equally refutable because that would limit his power in the scope of the universe containing him and he is supposed to be omnipotent.) But he is described as omnipresent and roaming about the earth to show his power... and so is Satan.

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Sunday's WT...funny, but sad for Dubs...

by DATA-DOG in

despite my often smart-ass exterior, i really don't have any desire to see the r&f dubs suffering.

i really do worry about the mental and emotional turmoil that they will experience, if and when the wtbts is truly exposed as a scam.

i know it seems unlikely to happen, but you never know..... anyway, the wt for the week was cringe-worthy to say the least.

schnell

I dunno, I was quite moved by the paragraph on marine life and evolution. The unnamed father's observation really stuck with me.

"It struck us that these extinct animals were beautiful, complex, and complete—no less so than what we can see today. So if life evolved from simple to more complex forms, why were these ancient creatures already so complex?"

Such a moving point. It's really helped me to question the false teaching of evolution and return to Jehovah, the Creator.

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Ugh. I do wish people like Aron-Ra would say more about Jehovah's Witnesses and their ridiculous portrayal of evolution and science in general. Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, Ray Comfort and Kirk fucking Cameron get a lot of attention, as do random Muslim creationists. Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research get screenshotted and referenced and refuted all the time. But not JW.org.

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Jehovah God is Real

by TakeOffTheCrown in

there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.

but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.

yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..

schnell

Let's start with something a lot of people will find theologically absurd or offensive, and break it down from there.

If I say that Jehovah (remember, He causes to become) is another name for Brahma, and that Jesus is Krishna, and I preach the selfless and reciprocationist gospel of Jesus, am I still Christian?

If I do away with the supernatural and just encourage a philosophy of being selfless and loving your neighbor, am I still Christian?

If I do that but I never mention Jesus, am I still Christian?

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Jehovah God is Real

by TakeOffTheCrown in

there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.

but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.

yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..