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  Like Mom and Dad?

  by compound complex in

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  apart from the obvious -- "you have your mother's nose" and "you got dad's cleft chin" -- do you see any of your parent's behavioral traits and attitudes in yourself?

  likewise, do you observe how your own children are 'apples fallen not far from the tree'?

  the good, the bad, and the ugly?.

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  I look like my father. My mother and I spread his ashes over a small pond some years ago. Upon reflection, I don't know if I've ever entirely thought like him.
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  Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson

  by azor in

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  listening to 2 of my current favorite thinkers debate/discussion.

  i've been looking forward to this since i found out about it a month ago.

  hope some of you get a chance to listen.

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  Does anyone else think it strange that JWs never seem to do any public debates for their beliefs? I mean they even recognize that C.T. Russell engaged in such debates on Bible subjects and that those debates helped to publicize the "Truth." So why don't they do any today defending old-earth creationism, or their own interpretation of the Bible?
  

  They'd get destroyed. Plus, I think that if they debated another religious quack like Eric Hovind or Ken Ham on matters of creationism, it would be tedious for anyone outside their spheres of influence.

  I am sure he wouldn't do it now after his stroke, but I would have paid money and flown out to see any of the GB debate Dawkins. That would have been such an ass-kicking that they might have deemed it the Great Tribulation. Aron-Ra? Dillahunty?

  Hell, get Bart Ehrman in there. Don't even dress it up as a debate at first, just put him on JW Broadcast and let the discussion commence.
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  Smelly WATCHTOWERS

  by Zoos in

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  in 1967 i had the misfortune of being born with a watchtower stuck in my ass.

  it took 45 years for me to realize, "hey!

  there's a watchtower stuck in my ass!

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  Born in, baptized at 14, was known for giving good talks and independent research, left the bullshit behind last year at 31 after increasing doubt and climactic disillusionment. I turn 32 on the Ides of March.
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  Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂

  by Gorbatchov in

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  gorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.

  just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.

  the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.

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  @FedUpJW what in the fucking hell???
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  Pseudo history in Watchtower today 😂

  by Gorbatchov in

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  gorby went to the kh for family reasons today.. and landed right away middle in a pseudo history watchtower article.

  just that aspect of the jw belief he is so sensative about.. so 1918 and 1919 are changed with one mark of a pencil.

  the argument of change was in the past the argument of the doctrine.

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  Maybe they can prove that the parousia actually occurred in 1931, when God gave them a new name.This will allow them to return to the old understanding of "this generation", buying them more time.
  

  When I explained to my very indoctrinated friend that Jerusalem absolutely did not fall in 607 BCE but 20 years later, and how that throws off the 2520 years, he went from a shocked face to a happy face and said they'll switch it to 1934 "to buy more time!"

  Problem: It's 2017. If they wanted to do that to buy time and for the sake of accuracy, they really should have done it back in the 70s, 80s or even the 90s when it had been made clear to them that 607 is totally wrong.
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  Has WT actually drafted an End of Days tract?

  by schnell in

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  i heard in years past that there was such a tract planned for the great tribulation.

  my father at the time denied this, and reasoned that that would not be a loving thing for them to do, to essentially say, "told ya so!".

  last year, the bunker videos had brother brown mention "a message of judgment".. has such material been drafted or is this just another bluff?.

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  That's what I thought. Thanks, Nathan Natas.
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  7th Day Adventist growth/decline stats similar to JWs

  by fukitol in

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  the sda's are also getting most of their growth in africa and latin america but plateauing or declining in europe and parts of the western world.. what's also interesting is the sda leadership fronts up and attempts to explain why there is decline in some areas of the world (albeit somewhat disingenously), eg, on the link below from 2014. but the watchtower leaders have never tried to give any explanation for why membership is dramatically falling away in the western world.

  increasingly worried jws are instead turning to other sources of information to try and understand why the 'true religion' is contracting.. http://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2013-10-13/membership-nears-18-million-secretary-highlights-regions-of-growth-decline/.

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  But some things don't change.

  http://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-men-suing-over-sex-abuse-say-they-want-seventh-day-adventist-church-to-change/
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  7th Day Adventist growth/decline stats similar to JWs

  by fukitol in

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  the sda's are also getting most of their growth in africa and latin america but plateauing or declining in europe and parts of the western world.. what's also interesting is the sda leadership fronts up and attempts to explain why there is decline in some areas of the world (albeit somewhat disingenously), eg, on the link below from 2014. but the watchtower leaders have never tried to give any explanation for why membership is dramatically falling away in the western world.

  increasingly worried jws are instead turning to other sources of information to try and understand why the 'true religion' is contracting.. http://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2013-10-13/membership-nears-18-million-secretary-highlights-regions-of-growth-decline/.

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  Sundays only? That bastard!
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  Russia to liquidate Jehovah's Witnesses' organization

  by processor in

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  http://starconnectmedia.com/2017/01/19/russia-gets-go-ahead-to-liquidate-jehovahs-witnesses-organisation/.

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  Well, witnesses are free to change their religion, of course... Right?
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  Russia to liquidate Jehovah's Witnesses' organization

  by processor in

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  2. scandals

  http://starconnectmedia.com/2017/01/19/russia-gets-go-ahead-to-liquidate-jehovahs-witnesses-organisation/.

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  Article 9 - conscience and religion

  Main article: Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights

  Article 9 provides a right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This includes the freedom to change a religion or belief, and to manifest a religion or belief in worship, teaching, practice and observance, subject to certain restrictions that are "in accordance with law" and "necessary in a democratic society"

  Relevant cases are:

  • Kokkinakis v. Greece [1993] ECHR 20
  • Universelles Leben e.V. v. Germany [1996] (app. no. 29745/96)
  • Buscarini and Others v. San Marino [1999] ECHR 7
  • Pichon and Sajous v. France [2001] ECHR 898
  • Leyla Şahin v. Turkey [2004] ECHR 299
  • Leela Förderkreis E.V. and Others v. Germany [2008] ECHR
  • Lautsi v. Italy [2011] ECHR 2412
  • S.A.S. v. France [2014] ECHR 695