How long has this been going on, also? When did he serve?
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Cyprus JW's Military Service
by snare&racket ini work with a nurse who served for 2 years in the army of cyprus as is compulsory in that country.
i happened to ask about jw's and their consequential punishment for not doing it.
he laughed and stated that since 2009 they have to do it and that he personally knew several that 'served.
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Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology
by schnell inout of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.
7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.
10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.
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@OUTLAW, I've said it before but I find this interesting: 1914 was a Year of the Tiger on the Chinese calendar. So were 1926 ("Well, that didn't happen..."), 1974 ("Stay alive till '75!"), 1986 ("Peace and security!"), and 2010 ("Overlapping generations.... oh..."). 607 BCE, too.
So maybe something interesting will happen in Watchtowerland in 2022. Maybe. Not enough emphasis can be placed on the word maybe.
CORRECTION:
Finally, here is the sequence of these lifetimes: 930, 912, 905, 910, 895, 962, 365, 777, and 950. These reduce to 3, 3, 5, 1, 4, 8, 5, 3, and 5. These numbers add up to 37. 37 reduces to 10. Completion.
I somehow missed Methuselah's lifetime in this sequence. Since 969 reduces to 6, 10 + 6 = 16, which reduces to 7. Which is Perfection, but it's not as climactic as the 10 I had concluded with. Oh well, that is the result. 7.
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Genesis Lifetimes and Numerology
by schnell inout of morbid curiosity, i would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in genesis chapter 5. it is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history.
7 after he became the father of enosh, seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters.
10 after he became the father of kenan, enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters.
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Out of morbid curiosity, I would like to here reduce the digits of the lifetimes stated in Genesis chapter 5. It is clear that no human being has ever lived that long, and perhaps there is some numerological meaning to these numbers rather than literal history. Let's see what happens.
For reference: http://mysticalnumbers.com/ and when I speak of "reducing" numbers, I am referring to the practice of adding their digits together. So, the number 123 reduces to 6. I will quote from Genesis 5 in the New International Version.
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.
130 reduces to 4, 800 reduces to 8 which is twice 4, and the total is 930 which reduces to 12 and then 3.
4 symbolizes stability (think of a square and its use in architecture), 8 symbolizes abundance ("be fruitful and become many"), 12 symbolizes cosmic order (astrology). It's banal and redundant to point out that 12 = 4 + 8.
The number 3 (think of a triangle and its use in all kinds of design) symbolizes good fortune, but there is far more than that. Gurdjieff wrote extensively about the Rule of Three. (Any C++ programmer also knows of another Rule of Three.) It was very important to Pythagoras, very important to the Egyptians, very important to the Hebrews. The number 12 not only reduces to 3, but is also a multiple of 3 and 4. This number occurs not only in architecture but also in cosmology and doctrine.
6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father[b] of Enosh. 7 After he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died.
105 reduces to 6, 807 reduces to 15 which reduces to 6, and 912 reduces to 12 which again reduces to 3. The number 6 is symbolic of beauty (and you have only to look at sacred geometry and the very "sixiness" of circles to understand why). 6 + 6 = 12 which reduces to 3, and 15 + 6 = 21 which also reduces to 3.
9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 After he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died.
90 reduces to 9, of course, and 815 reduces to 14 and then 5. 905 reduces to 14 also, and again 5.
The number 9 symbolizes wisdom, and is recurring in scripture when you start reducing numbers like 144000, 1260, 2520, and 666. It is also 3 squared. 9's also reduce themselves, as 9 + 5 = 14 which reduces to 5, and 9 + 14 = 23 which also reduces to 5.
The number 5 symbolizes balance, and it's the marriage of the male (3) with the female (2).
12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 After he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.
70 reduces to 7, 840 reduces to 12 and then 3, and 910 reduces to 10 and then 1.
The number 10 symbolizes completion. (Even the WTBTS agrees with that.) 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10. And the number 1? That was referred to by the Pythagoreans as the Monad, the Creator. It is the first, the leader, the one at the top, the human being. It is also the loneliest number, and so you need 1 more to form a partnership, which is the number 2.
15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 After he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died.
65 reduces to 11 and then 2, 830 reduces to 11 and then 2, and 895 reduces to 13 and then 4. The number 2 symbolizes partnership, but also division. Without 2, you can't have positive and negative.
18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 After he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.
162 reduces to 9, 800 reduces to 8 and happened earlier with Adam. 962 reduces to 8. (Remember that 9's reduce themselves.)
21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
65 reduces to 11 and then 2, 300 reduces to 3, and the number 365, which should be lost on nobody in modern times, reduces to 5.
25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 After he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.
187 reduces to 9, 782 reduces to 9, and 969 reduces to 6. This demonstrates something about 9's: Wisdom + Wisdom = Beauty. And, it's funny that Beauty is sandwiched in 969 between two Wisdoms. Idunno, just a fun number there.
28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah[c] and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.” 30 After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters. 31 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.
182 reduces to 2, 595 reduces to 10 and then 1. And then... 777? Really? There it is. 777. Well, that reduces to 21 and then 3, which is 2 + 1.
32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.
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6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. (Genesis 7:6)
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28 After the flood Noah lived 350 years. 29 Noah lived a total of 950 years, and then he died. (Genesis 9:28,29)
500 reduces to 5. (I'm not sure how he begets 3 sons in 1 year unless they're all triplets or 2 of them are twins. But there is demonstrably no sense in a literal reading here.) Adding 1 to 5 brings you to 6, which is what 600 reduces to. 350 reduces to 8 and 950 reduces to 14 and then 5.
The ages when these men had sons are 130, 105, 90, 70, 65, 162, 65, 187, 182, and 500. These reduce to 4, 6, 9, 7, 2, 9, 2, 7, 2, and 5. These add up to 53, which adds up to 8. There are also 1656 years from the birth of Seth to the Deluge, which reduces to 9.
Finally, here is the sequence of these lifetimes: 930, 912, 905, 910, 895, 962, 365, 777, and 950. These reduce to 3, 3, 5, 1, 4, 8, 5, 3, and 5. These numbers add up to 37. 37 reduces to 10. Completion.
Take all that for what you will, or it's fine if you reject it all out of hand. God bless, I guess.
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Why the need for 144000 imperfect humans to Rule with Christ Jesus for 1000 years ? Is he incapable of ruling by himself ?
by smiddy indoes this make any sense whatsoever ?
isnt jesus christ the king ?why the need for 144000 king priests to help him ?.
is he not up for the job?
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Maybe it's like THEY rule, as in FALCONS RULE BABY!!!
Yeah, or GOD'S KINGDOM RULES!!!!1
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Why the need for 144000 imperfect humans to Rule with Christ Jesus for 1000 years ? Is he incapable of ruling by himself ?
by smiddy indoes this make any sense whatsoever ?
isnt jesus christ the king ?why the need for 144000 king priests to help him ?.
is he not up for the job?
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It's good to know that spirit creatures still have digestive systems. If spirit creatures can eat, what happens to the matter that is eaten? Is it destroyed in violation of thermodynamics, or is there actual holy shit somewhere?
If they are flesh and bones, where is heaven?
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Why the need for 144000 imperfect humans to Rule with Christ Jesus for 1000 years ? Is he incapable of ruling by himself ?
by smiddy indoes this make any sense whatsoever ?
isnt jesus christ the king ?why the need for 144000 king priests to help him ?.
is he not up for the job?
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Origin of shunning
by anointed1 insatan loves his own people and hates those who do not share his views, hence only he can use shunning as a weapon.. on the contrary, god is love (agape = unconditional love), cannot have his own people.
(mathew 5:44-48).
all the accounts not in conformity with this principle originated from cleric’s pen (jeremiah 7:31; 8:8).
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So... Jehovah is Satan?
Sort of. The Zoroastrian influence of the battle between Ahura-Mazda and Ahriman is clearly present (with Satan taking the role of Ahriman) but it is a reinterpretation to say that the "hashatan" accuser in Job and the talking snake Genesis were Satan all along. To make things more complicated, it was accepted in the Middle Ages that the snake in Genesis was actually... Adam's first wife, Lilith, and her new lover was closer to what we'd call Satan.
43alley doesn't touch on Lilith, but he sums up the development of the Satan character pretty well:
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Origin of shunning
by anointed1 insatan loves his own people and hates those who do not share his views, hence only he can use shunning as a weapon.. on the contrary, god is love (agape = unconditional love), cannot have his own people.
(mathew 5:44-48).
all the accounts not in conformity with this principle originated from cleric’s pen (jeremiah 7:31; 8:8).
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Watchtower No.3 2017 - The Four Horesmen
by pale.emperor inthis is the first time i've read through a watchtower magazine in about a year.
although i've been our only 8 months it really git me how crazy i must have sounded when i was a jw talking to non jws.. while other bible based religions talk about the 4 horsemen and back up their theories with other scriptures or historical evidence, the watchtower have taken so such steps.
1914 is thrown in there as if it's universally agreed that jesus started ruling since then.. even when i was a jw i never really understood why, if the pale horse represents jesus, why is he first?
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Love it, @Bobcat! From the video:
When the Roman Empire crumbled, Europe was besieged by plague, famine, persecutions, and a state of war so persistent, it was only rarely interrupted by peace.
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Watchtower No.3 2017 - The Four Horesmen
by pale.emperor inthis is the first time i've read through a watchtower magazine in about a year.
although i've been our only 8 months it really git me how crazy i must have sounded when i was a jw talking to non jws.. while other bible based religions talk about the 4 horsemen and back up their theories with other scriptures or historical evidence, the watchtower have taken so such steps.
1914 is thrown in there as if it's universally agreed that jesus started ruling since then.. even when i was a jw i never really understood why, if the pale horse represents jesus, why is he first?
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The four horses of the Apocalypse present a picture of this existence.
The four horses represent life on this world. Every time a man gets on a white horse to "fix the world"... the other horses follow, Warfare, Famine and Death right behind. Always.
Caesar, Ivan the Terrible, Henry VIII, Hitler, Mussolini, Idi Amin, Lenin, Bush and now Trump. They all get on that White Horse to ride. Authority is given them like a cheap crown. And a bow. They are let loose to prove themselves.
The end is always the same. It is to the detriment of humanity.
But the second White Horse is no fake. It is Christ Himself. He rides in a righteous war. His angels ride behind, not three horses, but uncountable, all righteous. His crown is not a fake. His appointment is real and at the cost of his own blood, of which he is sprinkled.
The sky is darkened, the Earth quakes. As it was when the Christ died, it is again when He comes. It is the sign of the Son of Man.
This is the Apocalypse.
I like that. Another similar interpretation (but less apocalyptic, if ironically) is that the 4 Horsemen represent 4 archetypal phases of life: the young man, the old man, the sick man, and the dead man. These also align with the Tetramorph and the 4 angels standing before God with the head of a man, the head of a bull, the head of a lion, and the head of an eagle. And from there it aligns with Aquarius, Taurus, Leo and Scorpio, and the 4 elements of water, earth, fire and air. In storytelling, it aligns with the transition in a hero's dramatic arc from an Innocent/Orphan to a Wanderer to a Warrior to a Martyr/Magician.
At first, you're reckless, you're riding high but somewhat aimlessly, you're "young, dumb and full o' cum". This is the pale horse with a rider with a sword protruding from his mouth, and the dissonance between that and Jesus Christ is kind of ironic. An older man is a bit more rational, weighing things in the balances. You become wiser but you also become sick and eventually die. But the cycle of life continues with the next generation, who get on their pale horse and do it all over again.