Why does she now feel she has to if she earlier said screw it? Maybe she wants to face them?
schnell
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Question: Can't You Just Ignore A Judicial Committee?
by Sorry inone thing i've never understood is judicial committees.
yes, i understand it's held to see if elders should go through with the disfellowshipping process.
but why give them all the power?
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Was it Adam who altered his own DNA so that sicknesses & consequent death would be passed on to his offspring?
by deegee inthe blame for mankind's sicknesses/diseases and consequent death has been placed squarely on the shoulders of adam:.
romans 5:12, 17 - 19:"therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—for if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man.......consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people........for just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners........".
1 corinthians 15: 21, 22:"for since death came through a man........... for as in adam all die.......".
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schnell
@jookbeard, they can't explain the genes at all, but they try explain it by blaming Satan, of course. Remember, it was Revelation that finally went back around and said the serpent in Eden was the devil. Revelation, written much later than Genesis, was a book allegedly written by John and more likely by an early Gnostic named Cerinthus, and a book many early churches didn't accept. (In fact, some preferred "the Apocalypse of Peter.")
Cerinthus, it should be especially pointed out, wanted to spread his idea of 1000 years of paradise on earth.
(Source: "Forged" and "Jesus, Interrupted" by Bart Ehrman, a seminary professor)
As usual, 43alley explains it well.
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Was it Adam who altered his own DNA so that sicknesses & consequent death would be passed on to his offspring?
by deegee inthe blame for mankind's sicknesses/diseases and consequent death has been placed squarely on the shoulders of adam:.
romans 5:12, 17 - 19:"therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—for if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man.......consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people........for just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners........".
1 corinthians 15: 21, 22:"for since death came through a man........... for as in adam all die.......".
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schnell
"I am not the one testing you, he is. But if you fail, I'll punish you for it. No, that most certainly does NOT mean I am testing you."
We share just shy of 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, and geneticists know and have published PLENTY about the subject. There is no basis for Adam in 4026 BCE.
On my way out, I began to suppose that Adam could have been a name for a single human around that time that decided he was hot stuff, or perhaps that Adam and Eve were a metaphor for early homo sapiens. Indeed, we like to think of our species as special and unique and without any parentage, that our species came out of a sort of virgin birth from the dust. We like to lie to ourselves. But we are the not the only hominid species in history, as evidenced by Lucy and Ardi and all the rest, from all over the world, and from long before 4026 BCE.
Either way, the idea of Adam not being created from the dust, or of Adam and Eve being a metaphor, is an unnecessary reinterpretion of the 2 creation myths in the Tanakh. It also leaves no room for original sin or a messianic ransom sacrifice in the JW's philosophy of history. Neither, I might add, does science.
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I got a voicemail from an elder about meeting with me.
by schnell inyesterday, i missed a call and got a long voicemail from an elder who would like to meet with my wife and i some time this weekend, with another elder who dealt with my brother.
i haven't responded.
it's meeting night tonight, and my wife has already talked about staying home to do yoga with me instead.. yeah.
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schnell
Cold Steel: Yeah, no. First of all, I would sooner believe the story of Jephthah is fiction and probably anti-Israel propaganda from 8th century Judah. (Hence the smear against Israel at the end of Judges for doing as they see fit. How DARE they!) Then as a story, I would trust the Jewish rabbinical interpretation long before a fundamentalist Christian's. "Olah".
"The Bible Unearthed" by Finkelstein and Silberman is illuminating about Josiah's propaganda machine and the veracity and historicity of the Tanakh.
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Anyone else a fan of Red Letter Media?
by schnell inprobably my favorite band of cinephile miscreants on youtube is red letter media, which has, among other things, a series called "best of the worst".
they have a sub-series of that called "wheel of the worst," where a bunch of crappy old vhs tapes, either sent in from fans or added by the guys, are stuck to a plywood wheel and 3 of them are randomly selected for forced viewing.
here's the thing.
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schnell
Yes!! Hahaha I love those hack frauds and that bit about real friends could've been great
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"The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"
by smiddy inthat admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?
" "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".
have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.
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schnell
As my brother said recently, "I really think a lot of us are going to eat crow in the new system when those new scrolls are opened up." Thus, this wouldn't matter.
It's terrible.
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Anyone else a fan of Red Letter Media?
by schnell inprobably my favorite band of cinephile miscreants on youtube is red letter media, which has, among other things, a series called "best of the worst".
they have a sub-series of that called "wheel of the worst," where a bunch of crappy old vhs tapes, either sent in from fans or added by the guys, are stuck to a plywood wheel and 3 of them are randomly selected for forced viewing.
here's the thing.
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schnell
Probably my favorite band of cinephile miscreants on YouTube is Red Letter Media, which has, among other things, a series called "Best of the Worst".
They have a sub-series of that called "Wheel of the Worst," where a bunch of crappy old VHS tapes, either sent in from fans or added by the guys, are stuck to a plywood wheel and 3 of them are randomly selected for forced viewing.
Here's the thing. They had an episode a while back with a catchy little tape called "SOS."
It turned out that SOS was a product of the Children of God cult. But it also involved barcodes as the mark of the beast! Whaaaat?!
Eventually, Wheel of the Worst #11 came around. And in #11, they pick a video expounding on that whole idea about UPCs and the mark of the beast... But something else was submitted for that episode too. Skip to 5:40.
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Let's Be Honest - You or One of Your Ancestors Was an Idiot
by Simon inwhy were we ever a jw?
were we mad?
we must have been .... well, my excuse is that i knew nothing else.
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My mom spoke of her dad's experience as a Freemason for years, and how she once read his big blue Bible and found the name Jehovah in it. It would probably break her heart if she saw that jwfacts video. -
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Let's Be Honest - You or One of Your Ancestors Was an Idiot
by Simon inwhy were we ever a jw?
were we mad?
we must have been .... well, my excuse is that i knew nothing else.
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I was a born in. My step-grandmother (yes, I have one of those) has a story that when I was a toddler, I said how I loved Jehovah and "He's my father's God."
Looking back, it's easy to psychoanalyze and see that at some level of consciousness, my impression of God WAS my biological father, this woman's step-son.
But my dad? He was raised around the truth and had "anointed" heritage on his mother's side. (The story goes that the territory in Paris, Texas was fostered by my great grandmother and her father. It's a nice story.) Dad's father was a convert who allegedly killed a cop at some point and ran to California from Iowa. He was a drunkard, and there was an occasion when my dad and uncle beat the shit out of him after he quite LITERALLY beat my grandmother until she crapped the bed. Dad went off into the Navy, and the story goes that he read the Truth book in one night on the USS Perkins. When he first met my mom, his high school girlfriend had broken up with him. Mom has her own story.
So what was my dad's impression of God? Maybe it was the father he didn't have.
He could have just waited and not married my mom. I wouldn't have been born, but he could have just been a bit more skeptical. Regardless, I'm here, and you could say that I, a brand spanking new apostate, owe my very life to the Watchtower.
*shudder*
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God's Rule Book ....The org is setting the scene....
by tor1500 ini went to my midweek meeting this week.
very interesting....couple of things i noticed in the god's rule book, this week finishing up "the kingdom is born in heaven".
there was a footnote that read:for many years the watch tower was intended mainly for members of the little flock for their personal edification.
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schnell
Nobody? Okay. I'll just assume the answer is, "When their bowels decided so..."