Oh they're nuts, and I promptly told my friend about Losch's court statement to Judge Lewis in San Diego. He didn't know how to rationalize that other than to brush it aside.
I don't understand this friend. He came to my house the other day to confront me again about our beliefs, and said, "I've been where you are before, and ya know trust me, the answer is God and religion and..." Yep, the answer to the problem is the problem. That's how this works.