I was in there?
oh well that was a once in a lifetime experience kinda like moses talking to god.
it's 10:00 pm california time.
1am east coast.
6:00 am in london.
I was in there?
oh well that was a once in a lifetime experience kinda like moses talking to god.
i am watching the local news and we have the airforce base called barksdale.
tonite they said there are four or five levels of heightened security and that the one they are now is called charlie.
there is only one code word higher in security and that is delta.
I was just out driving about 30 minutes ago. I've never seen any increased security here or anywhere else. Of course, I don't go to the airport. I know there's a lot there from what I see on the local news.
i posted this on another thread, but i thought a new thread might help get the ball rolling: .
i have a simple question for all those that believe this war is solely about oil: .
what exactly do you believe bush is going to do with the oil fields after the war?.
This war has a lot to do with helping Israel. It's been talked about here and there on tv lately.
Ambassador Joseph C, Wilson:
MOYERS: Tell me what you think about the arguments of one of those men, Richard Perle, who is perhaps the most influential advocate in the President's and the administration's ear arguing to get rid of Saddam Hussein. What do you think about his argument?
WILSON: Well, he's certainly the architect of a study that was produced in the mid-'90s for the Likud Israeli government called "a clean break, a new strategy for the realm." And it makes the argument that the best way to secure Israeli security is through the changing of some of these regimes beginning with Iraq and also including Syria. And that's been since expanded to include Iran.
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_wilson.html
There's a Time magazine article on it here, too.
"How Israel Is Wrapped Up in Iraq"
Joe Klein contends that a stronger Israel is very much embedded in the rationale for war with Iraq
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/printout/0,8816,419688,00.html
From BBC's Panorama:
BRADSHAW: Back in 1996 a group of American neoconservatives helped write a
report called: “A Clean Break”. It was published by a think tank based in Israel.
They hoped their ideas might be taken up by incoming Prime Minister Binyamin
Netanyahu They included removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq which
they called an important Israeli strategic objective. The paper never became official
policy but was widely read.
GREEN: I think it’s very interesting. I think there has always been a group in
Israel that has wanted to knock out Iraq – Iraq being the main remaining strategic
threat to Israel. Now if that has the effect of creating chaos in the Middle East and
hostility towards America, why should they worry? It’s we who should worry. If
we’re going to march to war to an Israeli drum, then that would be a very foolish
thing to do.
BRADSHAW: And eight strong group behind the paper was chaired by Richard
Perle, now the Pentagon’s top civilian advisor. Two other members of the group
[Douglas Feith – David Wurmser] now have official posts in President Bush’s
administration.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/08_12_02.txt
It's interesting that the top guy screaming into Bush's ear is Richard Perle, who was fired as an aide to Sen. H. Jackson in the 70s for allegedly passing classified documents to the Israeli embassy. He should be in prison next to Pollard.
Anyway, I'm really surprised this hasn't come up here as of yet (that I can see). It's been talked about a lot on other boards. Oil has some to do with it as do a lot of other things but it appears more and more that Israel is a strong driving force in all of this.
so we are a few weeks down the road.
american and british troops are pissing in the palace.
it's all but over and plans for a new government are being put in place.. what would you do?
She wouldn't want to be queen unless she gets another oil tanker named after her.
so we are a few weeks down the road.
american and british troops are pissing in the palace.
it's all but over and plans for a new government are being put in place.. what would you do?
http://homepage.eircom.net/~gulufuture/images/Bush-Blair-Roadmap.gif
Seriously, I think we should help the people as much as we can to try and get back to some sort of reguluar routine in life. Rebuild the damage, get what medicine they require, food, clean up depleted uranium and leftover munitions, etc..
i know some of you have played around with ecstasy.
there are some good comments by people at the end of the article as to what they think of this research.
one of the men i work with used a lot of ecstasy in college and he is not depressed whatsoever.
I am a firm believer that any drug you take and use hardcore is going to mess with your brain, life, emotional well-being in the long run...ANY DRUG...but that's just my opinion.
I'm in 100% agreement on that one.
friday, october 4, 2002. shrine to victims of tragic error.
wreaths, flags, prayers mark place where hundreds of civilians died.
seattle post-intelligencer foreign desk editor.
People are being spoon fed propagenda and are lapping it up.
AMEN!
I could go on all day! One of the biggest ones is that Saddam gassed his own people(the Kurds in Halabja).
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/opinion/31PELL.html
The interesting part:
This much about the gassing at Halabja we undoubtedly know: it came about in the course of a battle between Iraqis and Iranians. Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town, which is in northern Iraq not far from the Iranian border. The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq's main target.
And the story gets murkier: immediately after the battle the United States Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report, which it circulated within the intelligence community on a need-to-know basis. That study asserted that it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds, not Iraqi gas.
The agency did find that each side used gas against the other in the battle around Halabja. The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies, however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent - that is, a cyanide-based gas - which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time.
Also, Saddam trying to assassinate former President Bush #1 in 1993. This New Yorker article from 1993 investigates it and finds the evidence questionable at best.
http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?archive/020930fr_archive02
Regarding the attempted assasination of Bush:
But my own investigations have uncovered circumstantial evidence, at least as compelling as the Administration's, that suggests that the American government's case against Iraq—as it has been outlined in public, anyway—is seriously flawed.
http://www.devo.com/mideastlog/
they shoot children, don't they?
[iraq]
How about we stop sending them MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in weapons?How about we get pissed when they invade and take over Palestinian areas?
How about we stop turning a blind eye to the fact that they have nuclear weapons?
As long as the AIPAC, JINSA, etc have so much power and money and contribute so much money to American political campaigns, and we have so many political leaders high up in government who seem to have more loyality to Israel than to the US (some even holding dual American-Israeli citizenships), I don't see it happening.
Heck, Israel killed two UN workers last year (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2541455.stm), shot a 65 year-old Welsh woman last month (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2780047.stm), and bulldozed a pregnant woman's house last week, crushing her to death along with her unborn child (9 months pregnant), and Israel shot to death an 85 year-old Palestinian sheperd for riding his donkey in a restricted area (http://www.jordantimes.com/wed/news/news2.htm). Most of this stuff never even makes the news. It seems hardly anyone even cares anymore.
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http://www.bethelcoachtours.com/english.htmedited by - hippikon on 15 february 2003 23:2:47.
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I helped ya.
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http://www.bethelcoachtours.com/english.htmedited by - hippikon on 15 february 2003 23:2:47.
32%
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Edited by - seawolf on 16 February 2003 0:51:6