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  Is the USA a bully?

  by Robdar in

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  i was watching the news last night.

  the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

  as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

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  seawolf

  Roski,

  One or two resposes have mentioned the South Koreans. At present there is quite strong anti-American feeling there. Taxi drivers refusing to pick up foreigners, resteraunts and shops with signs saying 'no Americans". Some acts of persoanl violence, (rape, knife attack, etc). The new president is said to be more anti-American than the former. Much of the ill feeling is long standing and a result of the behaviour of US military personel. This is not the official line, just the feeling on the street.

  Yes. A LOT of this stems from a 50 ton US armored vehicle running over and killing two 14 year-old schoolgirls in South Korea in June 2002. The two men were tried in a US military court and acquitted in November 2002. As you might have guessed, this didn't set too well with the people of South Korea.

  Shim Mi-sun and Shin Hyo-son were walking to a friend's birthday party when they were crushed to death by a US armoured vehicle which was taking part in a training exercise in Kyonggi province, on the outskirts of Seoul.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2494145.stm

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2178156.stm

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2487737.stm

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2497947.stm

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2517739.stm

  this issue came out to be a very large part of the latest elections there:

  Hahm Sung-deuk, director of the Korea Presidential Studies Institute, said the issue had become a key factor in the election.

  "This issue became critical issue in presidential campaigning. People thought the current presidential candidate of the Grand National Party, Lee Hoi-chang, is too close to the United States," he said.

  "In contrast, the presidential candidate, Roh Moo-hyun, of the New Millennium Party, is a little bit independent from the United States. So this issue may give an edge to the presidential candidate, Roh Moo-hyun," Mr Hahm said.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2562297.stm

  There have been several very large demonstrations there in December:

  About 50,000 South Koreans have rallied in the capital Seoul in protest over the deaths of two teenage girls killed by US servicemen in a road accident.

  Several thousand riot police prevented the protesters from marching on the US embassy.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2575381.stm

  regarding the protest above, the kfor article below says 300,000 people. I must say from the footage on tv it sure looked a lot more than 50,000.....

  http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=1049575

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2618119.stm
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  Is the USA a bully?

  by Robdar in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was watching the news last night.

  the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

  as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

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  seawolf

  Want to close my posts to this thread by welcoming 'aojumper' to the fray of this conversation and thanking him/her for being willing to jump into such a topic as a 'newbie'(something I was unable to do). Hope you continue to post your opinions. It's not so much about being right or wrong(IMHO), but being able to express you opinion(without the threat of expulsion) here that is so great.

  Agreed.
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  Is the USA a bully?

  by Robdar in

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  i was watching the news last night.

  the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

  as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

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  Lilacs,

  If that is true, they might as well have done it themselves. Sending them to someone else to be tortured is even worse IMHO.

  The off-limits patch of ground at Bagram is one of a number of secret overseas detention centres where US due process does not apply. Another is Diego Garcia, an island in the Indian Ocean that the US leases from Britain.

  In other cases, usually involving lower-level captives, the CIA hands them to foreign intelligence services, notably those of Jordan, Egypt and Morocco, with a list of questions the agency wants answered.

  These "extraordinary renditions" are done without resort to legal process and usually involve countries with security services known for using brutal means.

  According to one official who has been directly involved in transferring captives the understanding is: "We don't kick the [expletive] out of them. We send them to other countries so they can kick the [expletive] out of them."

  http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/26/1040511135568.html

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,865311,00.html

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2607629.stm

  http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/12/us1227.htm

  http://www.observer.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,866168,00.html

  In a related topic, (if the below is happening at Guantanamo, is it happening with the people being sent to Egypt, Morocco, etc?) the problem with this is that innocent people are turned in and have no business being there in the first place:

  Dozens of the detainees are Afghan and Pakistani nationals described in classified intelligence reports as farmers, taxi drivers, cobblers and laborers. Some were low-level fighters conscripted by the Taliban in the weeks before the collapse of the ruling Afghan regime.
  
  None of the 59 met U.S. screening criteria for determining which prisoners should be sent to Guantanamo Bay, military sources said. But all were transferred anyway, sources said, for reasons that continue to baffle and frustrate intelligence officers nearly a year after the first group of detainees arrived at the facility.

  "There are a lot of guilty [people] in there," said one officer, "but there's a lot of farmers in there too."

  Others were grabbed by Pakistani soldiers patrolling the Afghan border who collected bounties for prisoners, sources said. One such prisoner was captured at a restaurant near the border where he claimed to have lived and worked for 20 years.

  http://www.latimes.com/la-na-gitmo22dec22011424,0,4293848.story

  http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/co/13848/1.html

  So innocent people were turned in by Pakistani soldiers for $$$$, were turned in by the afghans in an effort to prove themselves to the americans, etc...

  "We're basically condemning these guys to long-term imprisonment," said a military official who was a senior interrogator at Guantanamo Bay.
  
  "If they weren't terrorists before, they certainly could be now."
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  James Bond 007 Classic one Liners

  by MARTINLEYSHON in

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  what was your favorite bond one liner?.

  mine was in the movie goldfinger where the laser is moving towards bond's groin and he said to goldfinger.

  " do you expect me to talk?.

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  My name is Pussy Galore.

  I must be dreaming.

  seawolf (of the 'has his mind in the gutter' class)
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  What Are Some Of The STUPIDEST Comments Made?

  by minimus in

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  what are some of the stupidest comments made in the watchtower, or by a circuit overseer or elder that you've never forgotten?

  the one about" the rapist being human" too, ranks right up there....like we're supposed to feel bad for him?

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  arachnia,

  That sounds about right. They moan and groan at people for doing/having exactly what they are doing/have. They did that to me a lot in terms of wanting things or going places. They'd tell me not to want to visit places, all the while they're jet-setting all over the place. LOL

  My contribution to the stupidest comments made is:

  At the District Convention in 1999, a young man was up on stage describing how he decided to pioneer and not persue college. He told the audience that the elder studying with him said (in terms of going to college vs. pioneering): do you want to live or do you want to DIE? I couldn't believe what I just heard. If there was a cute girl next to me I would have asked her to pinch me to make sure I was awake and not dreaming this. hahaha
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  Letter From Bill Bowen

  by Lin in

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  this message was originally sent out by bill bowen on the silentlambs mailing list: .

  i wish to explain some of the events of the last couple of months and let everyone know where silentlambs.org is going from here.

  in october of this year i was approached by a webmaster, rev, who offered to provide server space for silentlambs and set up a new website.

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  seawolf

  I read the entire post that Lin put up.

  I'm totally speechless.
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  Could Iraq defeat the US

  by JH in

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  could a war with iraq be more difficult than expected?

  i found an interesting site, where they claim that iraq could indeed defeat the us.

  tell me your comments after reading it.

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  seawolf

  Sorry about the large text. I tried several times getting it smaller but it just doesn't save it once i submit it to the board. oh well

  Edit: nevermind. it's normal size now. Maybe I was hallucinating.

  Edited by - seawolf on 11 December 2002 22:43:25

  Edited by - seawolf on 11 December 2002 22:43:51
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  Could Iraq defeat the US

  by JH in

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  could a war with iraq be more difficult than expected?

  i found an interesting site, where they claim that iraq could indeed defeat the us.

  tell me your comments after reading it.

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  seawolf

  Well, the US spent $250 million on the most expensive wargame simulation in history--a wargame simulation between the US and Iraq--and the US lost.

  At the height of the summer, as talk of invading Iraq built in Washington like a dark, billowing storm, the US armed forces staged a rehearsal using over 13,000 troops, countless computers and $250m. Officially, America won and a rogue state was liberated from an evil dictator.

  What really happened is quite another story, one that has set alarm bells ringing throughout America's defence establishment and raised questions over the US military's readiness for an Iraqi invasion. In fact, this war game was won by Saddam Hussein, or at least by the retired marine playing the Iraqi dictator's part, Lieutenant General Paul Van Riper.

  In the first few days of the exercise, using surprise and unorthodox tactics, the wily 64-year-old Vietnam veteran sank most of the US expeditionary fleet in the Persian Gulf, bringing the US assault to a halt.

  What happened next will be familiar to anyone who ever played soldiers in the playground. Faced with an abrupt and embarrassing end to the most expensive and sophisticated military exercise in US history, the Pentagon top brass simply pretended the whole thing had not happened. They ordered their dead troops back to life and "refloated" the sunken fleet. Then they instructed the enemy forces to look the other way as their marines performed amphibious landings. Eventually, Van Riper got so fed up with all this cheating that he refused to play any more. Instead, he sat on the sidelines making abrasive remarks until the three-week war game - grandiosely entitled Millennium Challenge - staggered to a star-spangled conclusion on August 15, with a US "victory".

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,787018,00.html

  BTW, I find it hard to believe that the US will lose--hopefully things are better now? However, here in the midwest, people tell me to never count my chickens before they're hatched.

  Edited by - seawolf on 11 December 2002 22:46:53
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  A message from the UK re: 9/11

  by Adam in

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  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12188969&method=full&siteid=50143

  this is precicely how i feel and i would only add a smattering of curse words to the text.

  but then again, it was written by one of our bretheren across the pond and they're a little more understated than us yanks.

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  seawolf

  Also, no one is saying that Americans deserved 9/11. I think many do feel though that there is a refusal of the American government to examine ways of making themselves less of a target by re-examining their foreign policies that seem to upset so many countries. There seems to be a mentality "let's kill everyone that hates us" instead of asking themselves "why are we so disliked on the world scene and how can we improve our world image?"

  Another way to word it would be to stop screwing around with other people's countries. Then the terrorists will go home.
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  Hot, stuffy Kingdom Halls! omg turn on the A/C plz

  by seawolf in

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  at my hall, in the spring and summer, it would almost always be so stuffy in there that i couldn't breathe!

  i swear the mugginess in there was stifling!

  i don't know how many times i was there and couldn't take it anymore and left.....as soon as i'd open the door and go outside it was like a cold front just came through!

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  seawolf

  hehe I totally forgot about the conventions! yeah some of those were pretty bad--especially when you'd sit near the top where all the heat would pool. My hall brings back worse memories though. I guess it's because it was so frequent. There aren't any ceiling fans in there either so when no a/c it just stagnates in there. ugggg talk about body odor hehe