Very very good, it's the kind of reasoning I've been trying to use with my wife and you've summed it up brilliantly.
aboveusonlysky
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If An Organization Really Believed It Had the Truth...
by xjwsrock in....it would not be scared of critics.
actually they would naturally take an offensive stance, wouldn't they?
they would welcome debate... even encourage it.
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What to say? I Don't want to go to meetings anymore?
by Drifting Away inso it has been a couple of months since me and my family have attended a meeting.
we have received a few calls and visits.
but what do you say when people ask "where have you been"?
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aboveusonlysky
I've been asked recently why I've stopped going on field service, I replied that my conscience won't allow me after I learned some things about the org but I don't want to discuss it as I don't want to give anybody else cause for doubt about the 'truth'.
I'm hoping that response will plant some seeds.
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Jehovah protects his people. Did he ever protect you?
by TimeBandit inhello forum.
i started this topic because i had been thinking recently about a story that i had heard many times in different congregations over the years.
kind of a jw urban legend if you will.
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aboveusonlysky
Well said, I also hate the idea that when Jah protects it's all about him and his name, like with the Israelites at the red sea or the three Hebrews saved from the fire. So basically he'll only protect if he gets all the credit and looks brilliant!
So pioneers get petrol money cos they credit all the praise to Jah but child abuse victims are too insignificant to recieve divine protection????
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New Public Talk #193: "Rescue From World Distress"
by wifibandit inpb_193_e "rescue from world distress".
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aboveusonlysky
Such a predictable outline
1 terrify the audience with apocalyptic nonsense.
2 Then say 'have no fear! Deeds of Godly devotion will save you'
3 Explain that the 'deeds' are complete obedience to the watchtower publishing/real estate company.
In other words, give us your time, money and children or face imminent death. Same s**t, different outline.
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Fact : 1 We live in the 21st Century Fact : 2 Why do we tolerate Religions of yesteryear that dominate ,interfere with our progress
by smiddy inwhy in this 21st century are we still cow towing to religions that are based in the distant past, of thousands of years ago , whether it be christian islam or whatever.?
and not to restrict it to just those two , but all ancient religions.. all of them are hypocritical , on the one hand rejecting modern day society and it`s technology and on the other hand embracing it for their own advantage .. when is the human race ever going to rid itself of pie in the sky beliefs.?.
smiddy.
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aboveusonlysky
How could the human race go about ridding itself of religion and uphold human rights at the same time?
Like anything I believe good education is the best way to fight against ignorance but it takes a long time to truly educate entire cultures. IMO religion will probably become a thing of the past eventually but it will take a good few generations yet for it to happen.
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Another ex-jwr member
by rusholme inthought i'd introduce myself, give a little of a background story.
i've been a short 3 month member of jwr, so now i'll try to visit you guys instead.. i'm in my mid twenties today, live in sweden.
grew up in a family with an active jehovahmom and inactive dad.
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aboveusonlysky
Welcome to the forum, glad your fade is doing well.
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How to wind up a JW
by slimboyfat intell him that jesus probably didn't get married or it would have mentioned it in the bible, but at the same time we can't be 100% sure he didn't get married because it doesn't specifically say he didn't get married.
stand back watch fireworks.. i thought it was a pretty reasonable thing to say.
pop.
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aboveusonlysky
How to wind up a JW?
Forget whether or not JC was married, just tell them his beard was awesome.
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Bethel downsizing is still coming
by dropoffyourkeylee ini spoke with a bethelite (non-us) last week who says that a 20-25% downsize is coming at their bethel in the fall of 2016. this is in addition to the cutbacks of 2015. more will be sent out 'to the field'..
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aboveusonlysky
If that is the decrease in Africa it proves it's a worldwide thing, my parents were talking recently to a long term bethel couple in the UK. Apparently the bethel family there has been reduced from over 800 to 500 and further reductions soon will bring the number down to around 280.
Jehovah is truly speeding it up in it's own time!
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Matthew 24 :14 VS Christ Jesus 100 + year Reign / Christendoms 2000+ year reign
by smiddy init has been over 100 years since jesus christ was enthroned as king in the heavens in 1914 according to jehovah`s witnesses with the task of preaching "this good news of the kingdom" in all the inhabited earth .for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.. it`s been over 2000 years since this task was given to jesus disciples , who evolved into christendom over the centuries with many sects that abound today.. neither have succeeded in carrying out this task to completion and christendom has had far longer an opportunity to do so.
however jehovah`s witnesses claim they are the true religion with gods approval .. so you would expect a better achievement .
jesus christ has used up more than 100 years of his rule with no major accomplishments , it does not look like he is going to achieve any better than what christendom did in 2000 years.in fact by all accounts he is going to be far worse.. jehovah`s witnesses as a minority sect are becoming more irrelevant as each year passes.. even their "witnessing" has been dumb`d down so much that it is an embarrassment to observe in the field.. in the 60`s and 70`s their was an urgency to get this message across to people , today ?
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aboveusonlysky
Well said, there's not a single country in the world that the org has had success in preaching where Christendom didn't have success first. Yet the main line of evidence that Jah is backing the org is the extent of the preaching work ????
So who was backing Christendom's preaching campaign for 19 centuries?
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Three reasons why the disfellowshipping docrine is worse than the hell fire doctrine.
by aboveusonlysky in1 - it has far less scriptural support.. let's face it both doctrines are designed to scare people into giving their time and money to a religion but those that teach hell fire can at least point to a number of bible verses that talk about fire and death/punishment together, whereas shunning is justified by one single verse that is simply saying don't give your blessing to the antichrist.
2 - emotional pain is generally worse than physical pain.. ask anyone who is grieving or on the wrong end of an unfaithful partner which they would rather have.
would you rather your wife, child or best friend died while still loving you or shunned you while alive?.
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aboveusonlysky
1 - it has far less scriptural support.
Let's face it both doctrines are designed to scare people into giving their time and money to a religion but those that teach hell fire can at least point to a number of Bible verses that talk about fire and death/punishment together, whereas shunning is justified by one single verse that is simply saying don't give your blessing to the antichrist.
2 - Emotional pain is generally worse than physical pain.
Ask anyone who is grieving or on the wrong end of an unfaithful partner which they would rather have. Would you rather your wife, child or best friend died while still loving you or shunned you while alive?
3 - Hell fire is not real but disfellowshipping is.
If someone tells you that you're going to hell but you don't believe in such a thing. ..happy days, who cares? On the other hand if you don't believe in shunning but everyone around you does there's nothing you can do about it, you can't even reason with them because they won't talk to you.
So the next time a jdub tries to claim the higher ground because their precious organization doesn't believe in hell fire, know that they are talking pish.