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  Latest awake on JW.org

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the latest awake (no 3 2020) on jw.org is just breathtaking, it's about prejudice and gives the following 3 examples which i will one by one attemp to debunk.. awake - some employers have mistakenly believed that women are unqualified for scientific or technical jobs.. erm... women are not only forbidden from elder or m/s appointment, they're not even considered qualified enough to adjust the height of a brother's microphone, you were saying?.....

  awake - in medieval europe, jews were falsely accused of poisoning wells and spreading disease.

  during nazi rule, jews were again slandered.

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  Could a petition to make shunning illegal work?

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we're currently watching leah remini's series about scientology and the main thing she seems to focus on is the shunning policies of the scientology organization which let's face it are very similar to jw procedure.. i was wondering with all that's in the media recently about bullying could a petition be put together to get the goverment to consider making religiously mandated shunning illegal?

  has such a thing been tried before?.

  https://petition.parliament.uk/help says the following - .

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  contradictory statements?

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'm always interested to hear what a 'spokesman' for the organization has to say when newspapers report on child abuse issues.. for example the following statement was made in a recent guardian article.

  a spokesman for the jehovah’s witnesses said: “we are in no position to, and neither would we wish to, force any victim of abuse to confront their attacker.”.

  and this is straight from the shepherd the flock book -.

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  what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

  shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

  that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

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  Midweek meeting video

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  did anybody see the service meeting video this week?.

  australian sister was sexually abused as a child and thought of ending her life at 14 years old, sometime later jw's call on her father who accepts a study and eventually the whole family becomes witnesses, life gets much better as the sister immerses herself in pioneering etc, she still has some dark days but prayer along with going for walks and swimming has helped her cope with bad memories of child abuse, the new system (just around the corner) will completely fix everything......... i'm dumbfounded, the hypocrisy has literally rendered me speechless......comments anybody?.

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  where have the demons gone?

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anybody remember some of the sensational demon stories jw's would tell back in the day?

  i was a kid in the early 80's and i remember a few times hearing of people having real life encounters with demons.

  for example, one sister claimed that before she became a jdub she would regularly talk to demons and they would even fix stuff like her washing machine!

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  Three reasons why the disfellowshipping docrine is worse than the hell fire doctrine.

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1 - it has far less scriptural support.. let's face it both doctrines are designed to scare people into giving their time and money to a religion but those that teach hell fire can at least point to a number of bible verses that talk about fire and death/punishment together, whereas shunning is justified by one single verse that is simply saying don't give your blessing to the antichrist.

  2 - emotional pain is generally worse than physical pain.. ask anyone who is grieving or on the wrong end of an unfaithful partner which they would rather have.

  would you rather your wife, child or best friend died while still loving you or shunned you while alive?.

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  Ideas for cult cart questions.

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  feel free to drive on if this subject has been posted before.. the 'bible teach' book is usually always on the cult cart so i thought it could make for an an easy intro for some counter witnessing.. just pick one up and start reading chapter 1, if the dubs are following instructions they will approach you.

  chapter 1 is all about how great it is to ask questions, par 3 then says -.

  "yet, many people have given up trying to find the answers.

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  A big thanks to all you good good people

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "when the truth is found to be lies, and all the joy within you dies" jefferson airplane.

  until that is you find websites like this!

  i want to say a big thank you to all of you for everything i've learned here, as well as jwfacts, jwsurvey, coc, isocf etc.. i'm a born in and i spent more than two decades of my adult life in full time 'service' for the (b)org.

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