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  2016 convention "movies". Propaganda, pure and simple....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  no doubt all are familiar with the 2016 convention video movies being shown?.

  (if you haven't seen them, go to cedars youtube channel to see them in full).

  they are the most disturbing, emotionally manipulative, propaganda pieces ever seen.. thoughts?.

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  aboveusonlysky

  I find the part about shunning inactive ones very disturbing, I know there have been comments on this forum that this is nothing new and that's true to an extent, but the level of importance they are giving to shunning combined with NEVER criticizing the org says it all.

  Consider this paragraph from a recent WT -

  In congregations of Jehovah’s people today, it is very unlikely that we would be treated unjustly. However, those taking the lead among us are imperfect men and could misinterpret our actions. (1 Sam. 1:13-17) If we are ever misjudged or misunderstood, let us remain loyal to Jehovah.

  So there is literally no good reason to ever leave or even criticize the org/congregation, and anyone who does can now fall into the category of serious sin and likely be shunned. The message is clear and I for one am very disturbed.
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  More misleading content on JW.org

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
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  what is “the end of the world”?the phrase “the end of the world,” which appears in many bible translations, can also be rendered as “the conclusion of the system of things,” or “the close of the age.” (matthew 24:3;english standard version) it refers, not to the destruction of the earth or of all humanity, but to the end of the framework of human society.—1 john 2:17.. conveniently leaving out that according to current numbers and doctrine, 8.000.000 people will survive at max.. technically is not a destruction of all humanity....but it comes so close it deserves to be mentioned.. of course it isn't mentioned, because that would sound so extreme, cultish and unkind.

  we wouldn't want people to get the right ideas about jw.organization now, would we?.

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  aboveusonlysky

  'It refers, not to the destruction of the earth or of all humanity'

  
  

  Just the 99.9% of humanity that don't attend a kingdom Hall......well that's cleared that up then.
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  If An Organization Really Believed It Had the Truth...

  by xjwsrock in

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  ....it would not be scared of critics.

  actually they would naturally take an offensive stance, wouldn't they?

  they would welcome debate... even encourage it.

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  aboveusonlysky

  Very very good, it's the kind of reasoning I've been trying to use with my wife and you've summed it up brilliantly.
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  What to say? I Don't want to go to meetings anymore?

  by Drifting Away in

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  so it has been a couple of months since me and my family have attended a meeting.

  we have received a few calls and visits.

  but what do you say when people ask "where have you been"?

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  aboveusonlysky

  I've been asked recently why I've stopped going on field service, I replied that my conscience won't allow me after I learned some things about the org but I don't want to discuss it as I don't want to give anybody else cause for doubt about the 'truth'.

  I'm hoping that response will plant some seeds.
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  Jehovah protects his people. Did he ever protect you?

  by TimeBandit in

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  2. friends

  hello forum.

  i started this topic because i had been thinking recently about a story that i had heard many times in different congregations over the years.

  kind of a jw urban legend if you will.

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  aboveusonlysky

  Well said, I also hate the idea that when Jah protects it's all about him and his name, like with the Israelites at the red sea or the three Hebrews saved from the fire. So basically he'll only protect if he gets all the credit and looks brilliant!

  So pioneers get petrol money cos they credit all the praise to Jah but child abuse victims are too insignificant to recieve divine protection????
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  New Public Talk #193: "Rescue From World Distress"

  by wifibandit in

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  pb_193_e "rescue from world distress".

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  aboveusonlysky

  Such a predictable outline

  1 terrify the audience with apocalyptic nonsense.

  2 Then say 'have no fear! Deeds of Godly devotion will save you'

  3 Explain that the 'deeds' are complete obedience to the watchtower publishing/real estate company.

  In other words, give us your time, money and children or face imminent death. Same s**t, different outline.
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  Fact : 1 We live in the 21st Century Fact : 2 Why do we tolerate Religions of yesteryear that dominate ,interfere with our progress

  by smiddy in

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  why in this 21st century are we still cow towing to religions that are based in the distant past, of thousands of years ago , whether it be christian islam or whatever.?

  and not to restrict it to just those two , but all ancient religions.. all of them are hypocritical , on the one hand rejecting modern day society and it`s technology and on the other hand embracing it for their own advantage .. when is the human race ever going to rid itself of pie in the sky beliefs.?.

  smiddy.

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  How could the human race go about ridding itself of religion and uphold human rights at the same time?

  Like anything I believe good education is the best way to fight against ignorance but it takes a long time to truly educate entire cultures. IMO religion will probably become a thing of the past eventually but it will take a good few generations yet for it to happen.
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  Another ex-jwr member

  by rusholme in

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  thought i'd introduce myself, give a little of a background story.

  i've been a short 3 month member of jwr, so now i'll try to visit you guys instead.. i'm in my mid twenties today, live in sweden.

  grew up in a family with an active jehovahmom and inactive dad.

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  aboveusonlysky

  Welcome to the forum, glad your fade is doing well.
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  How to wind up a JW

  by slimboyfat in

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  tell him that jesus probably didn't get married or it would have mentioned it in the bible, but at the same time we can't be 100% sure he didn't get married because it doesn't specifically say he didn't get married.

  stand back watch fireworks.. i thought it was a pretty reasonable thing to say.

  pop.

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  aboveusonlysky

  How to wind up a JW?

  Forget whether or not JC was married, just tell them his beard was awesome.
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  Bethel downsizing is still coming

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

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  2. beliefs

  i spoke with a bethelite (non-us) last week who says that a 20-25% downsize is coming at their bethel in the fall of 2016. this is in addition to the cutbacks of 2015. more will be sent out 'to the field'..

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  aboveusonlysky

  If that is the decrease in Africa it proves it's a worldwide thing, my parents were talking recently to a long term bethel couple in the UK. Apparently the bethel family there has been reduced from over 800 to 500 and further reductions soon will bring the number down to around 280.

  Jehovah is truly speeding it up in it's own time!