As for Robert Redford, why don’t you do a web search yourself to find out if he is a hypocrite or not?
Gasp! Actually find out facts? Good heavens, what's the point of that when it's far more enjoyable to name call?
Posts by Seeker
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33Message from Robert Redford on energy security
by DCs Ghost indear friend,.
it is understandable that we americans feel an almost reflexive need for unanimity in trying times like these.
as a nation, we are rightly consumed with responding to the terrorist attacks on september 11th.
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Tough Question for ExElders...
by Xena inwith a friend suddenly confronted with the prospect of being disfellowshiped recently it got me wondering about how an elder feels the first time he disfellowships someone.. the first time you disfellowshiped someone was there regret?
sadness?
or a sense of justice?.
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When, upon disfellowshipment, and during the J.C. meeting that is formed to determine the reason for such, what is told to that person SPECIFICALLY re: any prayers or utterances to "jehovah himself"?
Can "jehovah" hear my prayers? Is "satan" the one receiving them since "that day"?
What do elders and what did you ex elders say about this specifically?
Do and/or did you believe that once a person WAS "dissed", that prayers directly to "jehovah" were null and void? And did any of you make sure that the "dissed" person knew this well?
6of9....the ex and not-so-exelders know exactly what I'm asking, thus the thunderous silence from them
Another perfectly ordinary explanation for the "thunderous silence" is that, like me, they probably have never even heard of an elder saying such an awful thing, let alone saying it themselves. As I said, I never voted to DF anyone, so I cannot directly answer your question. But those elders that did DF people absolutely wanted the person to keep praying. They used to tell them, from what I was told, that it was more important than ever to keep praying.
You went through a horrible, abusive experience, from what I can tell. I know none of the details, and I don't want to know any of the details for that is your business and not mine. But there are bad elders in places and it sounds as if you had some. Not everyone does. I would be surprised to learn of many elders who told DFed ones what you evidently heard.
The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it doesn't mean everything is like that. If you are in a congregation that is caring, it can sound strange when someone talks about an abusive congregation. If you are in an abusive congregation, it can sound strange when someone talks about a caring congregation. Nevertheless, both types do exist.
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I realize I am totally in the minority on this issue, but I hope the WTS wins this case. I am very much leery of giving any government the right to decide who gets to speak and who doesn't, even door-to-door. All it would take is some local government to decide they don't like, uh, conservatives, or liberals, or blacks, being able to speak to their neighbors about an issue, and suddenly the permits will not be issued. It won't have anything to do with criminals, and everything to do with idealogy.
I don't like being bothered at the door any more than anyone else does. But the point of free speech is you have to defend that speech you find most distasteful, or else the concept has no meaning.
And for those of you who will yell, 'Yeah, but we want to keep pedophiles away from kids at the door' just remember this law won't affect this one bit. The town officials won't know about pedophiles if the local elders continue to keep this a secret as they do now. And once the WTS is forced to reveal the pedophiles in their midst, they will go to jail, not door-to-door. This Ohio law is irrelevant to this issue.
So here is hoping, sigh, that the WTS once again as they act in their own selfish interests, accidentally helps protects the rights of us all.
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Freemasonic Fascism/ Menace
by sf in"masonic menace" and "freemasonic fascism":.
< http://www3.sympatico.ca/mtronics/anticult/masonicmenace/.
if man was supposedly created in gods image, then.....holy krap...we're all doomed.-skallywagger
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Seeker, what 'credits' do you have that compares with Fagan's?
Non-sequitor. Anyone is qualified to judge what someone else writes. If a person makes statements without backing them up, I reject those writings. It's as simple as that. I want evidence.
Fagan exposed communism in Hollywood? Oh great, an idealogue as well! He's of no interest to me.
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A general apology
by Seeker ini've been a bit short with people today in the forums, and i shouldn't have been quite so abrupt.
i get frustrated when i see exjws make the same mistake and join up with political groupthink just as they used to join with governing body groupthink.
it's all propaganda, as i keep trying to point out, but the fact is that you can believe whatever you want without my input.. i realize i keep harping on conservative hypocrisy lately, but that's because they are in power right now.
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To all,
I'm feeling much better today, thanks. I appreciate the kind words very much.
To ZazuWitts,
Your message stunned me, in a good way. All I ever want to do is raise awareness of what I'm learning as well. You cheered me immensely to know that someone was actually listening. Thank you very much for telling me.
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What Is Your Favorite Overlooked Movie?
by gilwarrior inwhat i am talking about a movie that you thought was great, but is mostly forgotten by most people today.. well, my favorite overlooked movie is "a perfect world.
" in it kevin costner is an escaped felon who escapes from prison with another felon.
they then break into a house and kidnap a boy who is a (gasp!
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Joe versus the Volcano: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0099892
Written by the guy who wrote Moonstruck. Starring Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan (for the first time), and totally ignored by everyone (or else hated). I just love this movie, but I view it for more than just the surface story. If you watch it and take everything you see absolutely literally, it's a silly movie that seems juvenile at times. If you watch it and see the underlying message, it's one of the most profound message movies I've seen, and truly can be life-changing (neat exJW metaphor as well).
Plus it's just fun to see Hank and Ryan (who plays three different characters, and yes, there's an underlying message to that as well) play so well together. It's lyrical, beautiful movie that I can watch again and again...and everyone else thinks is a lousy movie cuz they're too busy looking at the surface.
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Message from Robert Redford on energy security
by DCs Ghost indear friend,.
it is understandable that we americans feel an almost reflexive need for unanimity in trying times like these.
as a nation, we are rightly consumed with responding to the terrorist attacks on september 11th.
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Scorpion,
Seeker,
An NPR news report a few months back. They reported the final tally of votes as counted by a coalition of newspapers in florida. What they found is that if they had only counted the counties Gore has asked to be recounted, Bush would have still won, though by an even smaller margin. However, when they counted the ballots from all florida counties, Gore won easily. Thus the final result is that the people of florida voted for Gore.Where did you come up with the idea that Bush lost the final tally of votes?
Even on the liberal stations here in California they were talking about how Bush won the vote count when it was all said and done.
Well then, now you know what I already knew: that isn't as liberal a station as the propaganda would have you believe. In fact, I'll bet your station is owned by the same conservative corporation that runs a lot of news stations, including in "conservative" states. The fact that they only reported part of the florida tally story should tell you all you need to know about their objectivity. They chose to be conservative and support the current president by suppressing the facts.Now you know.
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Tough Question for ExElders...
by Xena inwith a friend suddenly confronted with the prospect of being disfellowshiped recently it got me wondering about how an elder feels the first time he disfellowships someone.. the first time you disfellowshiped someone was there regret?
sadness?
or a sense of justice?.
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Unable to answer your questions as, I'm relieved to be able to say, I never once voted to DF someone. And once talked the other two elders out of it.
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A general apology
by Seeker ini've been a bit short with people today in the forums, and i shouldn't have been quite so abrupt.
i get frustrated when i see exjws make the same mistake and join up with political groupthink just as they used to join with governing body groupthink.
it's all propaganda, as i keep trying to point out, but the fact is that you can believe whatever you want without my input.. i realize i keep harping on conservative hypocrisy lately, but that's because they are in power right now.
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Your comments are kind and most appreciated. I don't have any particular thread in mind, or any particular posters in mind. I haven't gotten into a fight today. But if you click on my recent posts, you'll see that I have been very abrupt today and I wanted to explain my mood.
As a email I received today reminded me, I rarely show my sense of humor on this board. Today I've been more dour than usual due to my mood. I may not reveal my real personality in my posts, but today's posts are even further removed from my usual manner.
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A general apology
by Seeker ini've been a bit short with people today in the forums, and i shouldn't have been quite so abrupt.
i get frustrated when i see exjws make the same mistake and join up with political groupthink just as they used to join with governing body groupthink.
it's all propaganda, as i keep trying to point out, but the fact is that you can believe whatever you want without my input.. i realize i keep harping on conservative hypocrisy lately, but that's because they are in power right now.
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I've been a bit short with people today in the forums, and I shouldn't have been quite so abrupt. I get frustrated when I see exJWs make the same mistake and join up with political groupthink just as they used to join with governing body groupthink. It's all propaganda, as I keep trying to point out, but the fact is that you can believe whatever you want without my input.
I realize I keep harping on conservative hypocrisy lately, but that's because they are in power right now. I despise both sides and refuse to take sides, preferring to think independently about each issue on its own merit.
But I have been short with people, and it's partially to do with a mood I am in today. I've been struggling with my emotions all day, feeling very low. I'm fine, just going through a rough stretch with some hard emotional choices I must make. Nevertheless, I can tell my mood has been affected, and it has spilled over into making me impatient with the choices people make.
Wanna hate the Masons? Go ahead.
Wanna hate liberals? Go ahead.
We all get to make choices, and I respect the rights of all of you to make those choices as you see fit.