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  WHY ALAN FRAUDBACKER IS DOOMED!

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some reason i can't post on the original topic about the fds on why the watchtower is doomed thread.

  so i just started a new post.

  as regards af's long-winded post on that thread, it is obvious to me that you don't know what you are talking about, and that you are merely trying to obfuscate the issue with this enormously long post.

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  Seeker

  s it stands neither you nor Fraudbacker have answered the question having to do with how you suppose that all Christians are to be put in charge of other Christians. Do you want to give it another try?

  We've been telling you that the whole time. You keep trying to give a literal interpretation to a parable. All it says is to be faithful like the slave in the parable was faithful. There is nothing else to answer. If you think there is, provide evidence. The burden of proof is on the person who say, "Yeah, but what it really means is..."
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  WHY ALAN FRAUDBACKER IS DOOMED!

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some reason i can't post on the original topic about the fds on why the watchtower is doomed thread.

  so i just started a new post.

  as regards af's long-winded post on that thread, it is obvious to me that you don't know what you are talking about, and that you are merely trying to obfuscate the issue with this enormously long post.

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  the very fact that Jesus asked the question "who really is the faithful and discreet slave" indicates that not all Christians would have such an appointment.

  Evidently you haven't heard of rhetorical questions that apply to the listeners.

  You are adding complexity that isn't warranted. You believe what you say? Provide some evidence.
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  Would like to make new friends all over again

  by CathyM38 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi, i'm cathy.

  am new to the site; some of you know me by now.

  i have been dfd since 1997 and without many friends since then and felt quite lost as im sure many of you know the feeling.

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  Seeker

  A warm welcome, Cathy. You have found the right place, all right, for there are many here who are dfed or daed or just drifted away. But everyone is welcome here. Look forward to getting to know you.
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  WHY ALAN FRAUDBACKER IS DOOMED!

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some reason i can't post on the original topic about the fds on why the watchtower is doomed thread.

  so i just started a new post.

  as regards af's long-winded post on that thread, it is obvious to me that you don't know what you are talking about, and that you are merely trying to obfuscate the issue with this enormously long post.

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  Seeker

  I'm not twisting anything, but taking the parable at its word. Jesus himself, as you pointed out, applied it to all Christians by asking his rhetorical questions after giving the parable.

  All your insults, and name-calling, and ridicule can't erase the fact that you are turning a parable into a literal blueprint, with no evidence (so far, anyway) that this parable should be treating this way while all others are not.

  Are are you still searching for that pearl literally?

  It's amusing, really, to think what the WTS might have said had the illustration been about kids who behave themselves and get dessert as a reward...
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  WHY ALAN FRAUDBACKER IS DOOMED!

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some reason i can't post on the original topic about the fds on why the watchtower is doomed thread.

  so i just started a new post.

  as regards af's long-winded post on that thread, it is obvious to me that you don't know what you are talking about, and that you are merely trying to obfuscate the issue with this enormously long post.

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  You Know, first you say:

  LOL. No one said the parable was to be taken literally. We are not talking about literal slaves or literal food.

  and then you say:

  In can be easily proven because Jesus explained that that was what the parable was all about. After he gave the illustration he gave a principal that pertains to the slave's judgment where he said: "Indeed, everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him; and the one whom people put in charge of much, they will demand more than usual of him." All Christians are not in charge over God's household of servants. The slave is one who is given charge over all
  of Christ's other servants. That cannot apply to all Christians but only to those who are actually appointed to that capacity.

  So first you say you can't take the parable literally, and then you proceed to take the parable literally! It doesn't mean that there will literally be Christians presiding over other Christians, that's taking the parable literally. It says that all Christians should be faithful, and those who remain faithful will be rewarded. The only way you can get a literal household of God out of that parable is to take it literally, and you said you can't do that.
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  WHY ALAN FRAUDBACKER IS DOOMED!

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some reason i can't post on the original topic about the fds on why the watchtower is doomed thread.

  so i just started a new post.

  as regards af's long-winded post on that thread, it is obvious to me that you don't know what you are talking about, and that you are merely trying to obfuscate the issue with this enormously long post.

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  And I suppose the Master doesn't represent Jesus, after all it doesn't say so in the parable.

  In real life, sure Jesus is the one who looks down on Christians to see if they are being faithful. But in the scripture, it's not pointing to particulars, but giving a parable to make a general point, namely that all Christians should be faithful, just as that slave was faithful to that unnamed master in the illustration. Not Jesus, just a master. Yes, the application goes to all Christians in how they obey Jesus, but that's it.

  According to your foolish reasoning the master could be any old guy off the street.

  No, it isn't any guy off the street, or any other specific person. It is a parable about a generic slave with a generic master to make a general point.

  Of course, any first grade Bible student can readily realize that you don't know what you are talking and could easily prove who the Master is and who the household represents by merely turning to Hebrews 3;6 and reading the passage that says: "Christ was faithful as a Son over the HOUSE of that One. WE ARE THE HOUSE of that one."

  On the contrary, any first grade Bible student would say, "Why are you flipping over to Hebrews to a scripture that has nothing directly to do with the parable when what is said in Matthew is quite clear enough?" They would think you don't know what you are talking about for you keep refusing to accept what the scripture says but keep telling them, "Yes, but what it really means is..."
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  Hello, some things never change!

  by Spartacus in

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  hi, i hope all are in good health and doing well as expected to those out of the matrix as well as in.

  i see some things never change, many of the same posters from the old h2o.

  some dooms dayers with the same old stuff and those who use them to bring out real world reality.

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  Seeker

  Naw, I missed the Beacon room by a little bit, started on H2O. But yeah, we do go way back. Nice to see you here.
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  Hello, some things never change!

  by Spartacus in

  1. jw
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  hi, i hope all are in good health and doing well as expected to those out of the matrix as well as in.

  i see some things never change, many of the same posters from the old h2o.

  some dooms dayers with the same old stuff and those who use them to bring out real world reality.

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  Seeker

  Hi Spartacus! Glad to see you again!
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  WHY ALAN FRAUDBACKER IS DOOMED!

  by You Know in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some reason i can't post on the original topic about the fds on why the watchtower is doomed thread.

  so i just started a new post.

  as regards af's long-winded post on that thread, it is obvious to me that you don't know what you are talking about, and that you are merely trying to obfuscate the issue with this enormously long post.

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  Seeker

  Parables are not just cute little stories. They have meaning. Jesus explained some of his parables to his disciples and they had quite specific meanings attached to them.

  I agree and never said otherwise. In fact, that's the point that Alan made, that this parable has meaning to all Christians. Where we are disagreeing is that this parable has some literal blueprint to follow, any more than we should be looking for literal pearls.

  The whole FDS parable centers around an appointment. It is not just a task that an indiscript slave has assigned to him, but he is appointed in a official capacity over the entire houshold of God.

  Ah, here you diverge from the scripture. In the parable, it doesn't talk about the "household of God", but merely the household of the master in the illustration. You apply it to God, but it doesn't say that in the parable itself.
  
  

  The parable reveals that the slave must answer to his master as to how he cares for his appointment. Not only that, but the parable only has application to a particular time---during Christ's presence.

  I agree with that completely. The difference is that you apply it to only some Christians, whereas we are saying the parable has principles for all Christians to follow.

  So, you either lack the intelligence to grasp to complexities of Christ's parable, or you are simply perversely opposed to its true explanation. It doesn't really matter which it is as far as I'm concerned.

  A false dilemma followed by your usual lack of concern for others. In fact, there is a third possibility: that you are reading more into a parable than Jesus ever meant. Unless you provide evidence to back your claim, we will take what Jesus said as being what he meant.
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  I attended the meeting tonight.....

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i went to the meeting tonight to check out things in the local congregation.

  this spiritual paradise is showing a few cracks.

  when i arrived about ten minutes before the meeting started, i felt like a ghost.

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  Seeker

  SilentLambs,

  The bottom line: Please know that your efforts are extraordinarily appreciated by all, but especially by those who can least defend themselves. Your work is noted and applauded.