Indeed, Scully, I did think of that, and that is possibly what Farkel had in mind even though the definitions of 'jerk' and 'pedophile' do not dovetail perfectly, though one is a subset of the other. But that still leaves out all the ordinary publisher pedophiles, so 8.5 is probably incorrect.
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28Today's Logic Puzzle
by Farkel inin a certain circuit, all elders are jerks.. 1/2 of all the ministerial servants are also jerks.. 1/2 of all the jerks in that circuit are elders.. there are 40 elders are 46 ministerial servants.. no elder is a ministerial servant.. 1/2 of the number of jerks who are not elders or ministerial servants are pedophiles.. how many pedophiles are there in that circuit?.
farkel.
"i didn't mean what i meant.
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Today's Logic Puzzle
by Farkel inin a certain circuit, all elders are jerks.. 1/2 of all the ministerial servants are also jerks.. 1/2 of all the jerks in that circuit are elders.. there are 40 elders are 46 ministerial servants.. no elder is a ministerial servant.. 1/2 of the number of jerks who are not elders or ministerial servants are pedophiles.. how many pedophiles are there in that circuit?.
farkel.
"i didn't mean what i meant.
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1/2 of the number of Jerks who are not Elders or Ministerial Servants are Pedophiles.
People are keying on that sentence and answering 8 1/2. But the question was not how many people are covered by that sentence, but:
How many Pedophiles are there in that Circuit?
Cannot tell from the data provided. The sentence above covers part of the pedophile population. Then you have to add the unknown number of pedophile publishers. And the unknown number of Non-Jerk elders and M.S. who are pedophiles.Just like in real life Watchtower-land, the actual number of pedophiles is unknown but substantial.
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Criminal , new US ally
by Norm inthe norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
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Yes, I think the best tool against these trends is education. PR machines cannot work in the open. Politicians cannot do dirty deals in the open. This Enron thing won't amount to much in the long run, for it is millionaires trying other millioinaires, but at least the general public has been that much informed about the way things get done in the higher reaches of corporations and the government.
The more people know what's really happening, and that means getting information beyond the U.S. media machine, the more they will be disgusted and the closer we will get to actual, meaningful reform.
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Criminal , new US ally
by Norm inthe norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
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As for foreign policy issues, military concerns, etc.. we have a government that we pay our hard earned money to everyday to handle that. With all it's checks and balances, we have a better chance of finding out about who's fuckin up better than anyone else in the world. More often than not the ones who fuck up are found out and thrown out.
Sadly not. Read about the public relations industry, and how they hide facts from the American public about how their government operates. How they tell lies about what is happening. And how almost every politician in Washington is beholden to this PR machine and the corporations that paid for them.
The American system of checks and balances has been thrown out of whack by this machine. The president and the congress are both beholden to these special interests. Just to give a recent example, where are the checks and balances when it came to this administration's energy policy? Congress is screaming for details in order to appease the public into thinking they are doing their job. The president refuses to divulge anything. Meanwhile, who wrote this policy? Companies like Enron. The only checks and balances we will soon have are the ones at the cash register.
The ideals of America no longer resemble the reality. We teach our children in school about America the way it was founded. It's no longer the case, more often than not.
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today's Kingdom Hall experience
by Cygnus inwent to my grandfather's funeral service at the kingdom hall today.
two or three minutes were spent on grandfather, and the rest on the bible, jehovah, how sin makes our bio cells degenerate, etc.
etc.. fortunately, i'm well past the stage of anger at the witnesses for shoving their religious beliefs down my throat.
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Sorry to hear about your loss, Cyg. I found your description interesting. I have occasionally thought about what it would be like to return to the Hall for a funeral, the only reason I would ever go back.
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Anyone watch Magnolia?
by mindfield ini just saw magnolia recently, and boy, did i enjoy it.
the coincidences, the way things interconnected, the credible acting really got me.
wow.. i admit, some parts were kind of slow and rambling, like when earl partridge rambles off in his bed about his mistakes.
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I very much enjoyed Magnolia and thought it was one of the best movies of that year. Hard to watch in parts, and the raw emotion at times is overwhelming. But I enjoyed the interconnectedness, and I understood the frog shower when I first saw it. It tied into the whole theme and unified the introduction. Besides, Anderson foreshadowed it all the way by his use of cited scripture.
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Criminal , new US ally
by Norm inthe norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
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pat,
I thought i was doing well by reading other newspapers out of state, for crying out loud!
See, most of them are owned by the same corporations, so it's the same news everywhere!Don't feel bad. It's not easy to swim against societal tides. Most people don't even realize they are in the river, let alone that the current is carrying them along. To realize it, and then swim upstream, takes unusual powers of observation. However, leaving the WTS is a fast way to gains those powers! Apply the same scrutiny to corporations and the media as we applied to the GB. You will see why I keep repeating the phrase, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."
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Criminal , new US ally
by Norm inthe norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
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Pat,
Oh, too many to mention in detail, but I'll mention a few ways to keep up on things. First, some media principles:
1. Almost all media is owned by transnational megacorporations. Whatever they say is filtered by the conservative nature of large organizations that want to avoid offending the masses so that they can sell more of their products. So when you are watching CBS News or reading the New York Times, you have to keep in mind their point of view. I read an intereview with the head of the News division of ABC, and he admitted that ABC could not run a story criticizing Disney, the transnational megacorp that owns ABC.
2. The media is overwhelmingly conservative. The big lie of conservatives is that there is a liberal media. This is not true. This is a claim of right-wing conservatives who don't like the moderate conservative point-of-view. To them, anything except right-wing views is 'liberal.' In fact, a true liberal persepective is almost never allowed on mainstream media. You ususally get two perspectives: the 'conservative' perspective and the 'liberal' perspective, but both sides are actually conservative, just differing in their degree. Republicans are more right-wing than Democrats, but both are conservative. True liberals are marginalized to the point of disappearing from public discourse.
So when you are watching or reading U.S. media, you are being told the offical party line, with occasional dissenting views that usually don't go very far or very deep or amount to all that much. An example of this: After 9/11, what did almost all media do very quickly? They pasted the American flag all over their screens. They reported the offical party line of the White House almost without exception. They ignored the possibility that bin Laden was not behind the attacks. They became an almost perfect outlet for political propaganda. The media isn't supposed to take sides, not even America's. It is supposed to sit outside petty political considerations and report facts. But remember point 1 above -- the media exists to make profits for a corporation, and corps know they will make more money by giving people what they want, and thus can then sell more soap. Right now, it pays to wave the flag, and so wave the flag the media does.
When Russian news media did that during the Cold War, we called it government propaganda. So what do we call it now when the U.S. media does it?
As for alternate sources, what I do is try to get both sides. If a story involves Britain, read the story in a British newspaper online too. If it involves the Arabic world, get news from over there. Yes, you are getting their version of propaganda, but only by comparing propaganda from both sides can you begin to discern patterns and truth. It helps, at least.
I read The New Yorker, and Atlantic Monthly, in magazines, for somewhat alternative viewpoints. They aren't truly liberal sources, but they lean more in that direction, and thus offer a different perspective from the mainstream conservative media. If you want to see just how dumb Bush is, read the New Yorker articles about his ideas.
If you want to know what's happening in globalization and economic forums, I like to check out www.indymedia.org for their alternative perspective. Now this is truly liberal news, and it is so vastly different from what passes as 'liberal' sources on mainstream press that you will truly see why the accusations of the "liberal media" is such a lie. Now, I think indymedia goes too far in that direction, but that's OK, it serves as a touchstone against which I can measure the conservative press. Only from indymedia, for example, would you learn about people being arrested for protesting economic summits and being held for weeks without charges. On the mainstream press, you'll learn about protests, and maybe a mention of some arrests. On indymedia, you'll learn what happnes to those arrested, and how the government illegally uses harrassment to discourage dissent. So by comparing both sides, you begin to get a glimmer of truth.
No, I don't rush to all these news sources for every story. A kitten caught in the tree and rescused by firefighters can be reported by anyone. Only the important stories need this level of scrutiny.
If you want extreme detailed analysis of U.S. propaganda, and specific, documented examples where the U.S. governement and the U.S. media lied to us, you might find the book Manufacturing Consent by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky interesting. Conservatives criticize Chomsky in precisely the same way JWs criticize apostates. They claim Chomsky has an agenda, that his sources aren't true, and so on. But he provides so many footnotes you can go a library and see for yourself. He doesn't hide anything. So even if he has an agenda, which of course he does, he provides valuable evidence, fully documented, of times when you and I have been lied to. It's a bit mind-blowing, to be honest. This is where I read so much of the Latin American dirty tricks I've been talking about in this thread.
Hope this helps. Remember, propaganda exists on all sides. Only by viewing both sides can we come to an approximation of truth.
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Is CONSCIOUNESS a Type of Quantum Knowledge?
by D wiltshire in"quantum reality" by nick herbert .
page248 subheading:.
is consciouness a type of quantum knowledge?.
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Do you mean how it can seem that certain unique ideas in math or science sometimes pop up simultaneously in different parts of the world?
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Criminal , new US ally
by Norm inthe norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.
he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.
he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.
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If I only could understand why so many Americans seems to be totally without the ability to see the world around them!
Kent, you'd be amazed at the level of propaganda that exists in the U.S. If a person's sole source of information is television news or their local newspaper, they would have no idea about how the rest of the world feels or what is going on or how their own government behaves. In fact, they are often directly lied to by these sources, as good propaganda often does, and thus remain worse than uninformed, but misinformed.
And when you have been conditioned since birth to be a good corporate citizen, to buy, buy, buy to prop up the economy, and to wave the flag when the President says we are at war, it takes initiatize to look beyond the propaganda to see what is really happening.
Yes, I realize propaganda exists in other countries as well, but I was talking about America, the DoublePlus Good government of the world.