Happy Birthday! One of his daughter's used to be in my old circuit. She was attending the U of Mass at Amherst and going to one of the northern MA congregations. I hope she escaped. Nelson's first wife was a JW. S4
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What JW teaching did you find hardest to defend??
by karter infor me it was that god is killing billions of people just to prove a point.
what about you?
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The F&DS is a total joke - obvious to any thinking Witness - except those who imagine that the GB runs all it's decisions by all those partaking around the globe. Yeah, sure!
A literal 144,000 - every part of those verses in Revelation around that number we say is "symbolic" - except the number itself! Totally indefensible.
A literal Flood. A literal Adam and Eve.
Much of the WTS explanation of Revelation - especially the trumpets.
1935 - Pulled right out of the air.
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Men: what do you want us women to know to understand you better?
by LouBelle inus women have always told you what we want, how to be treated, now it's your turn.
what do men want us to know about you?
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"Men have two emotions: Hungry and Horny. If you see him without an erection, make him a sandwich."
THEN give him an erection!
As you're seeing, it's pretty simple. We probably never get enough sex.
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What Do You Consider "Hot" When Thinking of a Male or Female?
by minimus ineither describe what's "hot" to you or put a pic out so we can see.
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I'll say it and mean it - Looks are very important to me when it comes to whether or not I think a woman is hot.
Intelligence, humor and confidence are also vital, but it has to be in what to me is an attractive package - slim and very fit - if I'm also going to say I think she's sexually attractive, which is how I'm defining 'Hot". Big breasts aren't all that important - I've seen where they go after a few years!! But a tight body with a great tight ass is awesome. Being with a woman like that just makes you want her all the time, and that is a great way to live.
Linda Hamilton in the Terminator, Angelina Jolie as Lara in Tomb Raider, lots of the athletes I've seen headed toward the Olympics. Rock climbing, surfing women. Dancers.
Beauty alone is not enough. I thought Denise Richards was hot til I saw a few minutes of her reality show. Any woman or man carrying a tiny dog around is instantly NOT hot. Shrooms over the top of low cut pants definitely not hot.
And I'll even go the guy route. Again, lean and physically fit, confident, handsome, funny - all of that works. Shaggy, longer hair, clean shaven. An Aaron Echart, Robert Downey Junior, Viggo Mortenson. Clooney is in there, but so is that piper in the video above.
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Is it Feasible to File a Lawsuit against WBTS
by KW13 infor the damage that they've done to me as an individual, discouraged from taking school seriously, to forget the idea of college as it wouldnt and certainly never dream of working in this system, afterall the new order will be here by then.... the impact this religion has had on me has left me with some things that i will never get rid of, they are that deeply buried in me and i'm not saying i'm not coping or that i'm really unhappy but life in some areas is just damaged.
everything from me personally to my relationship with my mum.. so...am i being foolish or would i be doing the right thing?
i am not saying i want money, more recognition of what happened you know?.
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It would be extremely difficult to win a case like this against the WTS or any religion.
If it were easy, there would already likely be a few thousand precedents in cases against Catholic nuns who taught in parochial schools in the 40s-60s for the damage they did to students!
Very hard to sue religions for the damage they have done to believers.
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Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
by Dogpatch inhaving problem pasting this...
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G-jobs. I think it was Walden Chin - who eventually became a CO and DO - who used to G-job "special" Bibles for us when he was at Bethel. We'd get them bound with the Make Sure (later Reasoning) book, with a leather cover and our names embossed on the cover. I'm pretty sure Walden was doing this right at Bethel.
Walden was one of those cynical, wise-cracking Bethelites who would come to local congregations, drink the free liquor, pinch the single sisters on the bottom, joke about how the LAST thing anyone wanted to do at a get-together was sing Kingdom songs, yet went on to a "career" as a self-righteous traveling bro.
Wesley Benner was an old CO of mine. If I remember him correctly, he was kind of a small guy with a huge wife. I was not surprised to read in CofC that Wesley was the CO assigned to do in Ray Franz. A good company man.
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Wedding Talks
by Alexia ina few weeks ago, there was a thread started on jw funeral talks and how horrible they are, but what about those wedding talks?.
talks that has nothing to do with the couple itself, but an advertisement about how wonderful marriage in jehovahs organization is.
*eye roll * the worst is when they have to bring up sex in the marriage in a wedding talk *barf*.
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Aw, JW wedding talks. I've heard some awful ones!
Lots of people choose to NOT get married in a KHall because you do have a lot more control over the wedding. You can have your own music, more freedom with regard to guests etc.
An important side point that more people ought to consider. The Witnesses teach that ALL members become ordained ministers at the time of their baptism - a point that was constantly used in dealing with draft boards, etc. SO, ANY JW should be legally able to perform a wedding ceremony, NOT just elders or MS. And really, this should also include sisters (though I don't know of anyone who would be quite that bold!).
I know this is true because I did a wedding talk AFTER I stepped down as an elder. I went to the BOE and they said it was OK, and I had no trouble with the license. I'd already done plenty of weddings, but this was my first when I wasn't a servant or elder. It was an outside wedding, and I was already well on my way to apostasy! I actually quoted from the Tao Te Ching more than I used the Bible! I pretty much completely ignored the WTS outline.
But again, ANY baptized brother could give a wedding talk. The BOE might not like it, but it's legal unless they've changed that teaching.
And terrible illustrations? How about Captain and wife as 1st Mate, or wife as a "helpmate" or even worse, a "helpmeet?"
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Congregation Get-Togethers: In or Out?
by TreadClimberMaster ini was reading redpill2006's post and i noticed that some mentioned that get-togethers or parties have been largely discouraged.
i stopped attending meetings in 2003/2004 and i remember my congregation still had get-togethers, although they were few and far between.
they were not completely discouraged though, has this changed?
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On occasion that pitcher could also have lemonade or ice tea in it.
Of course, there were never alcoholic drinks at any JW gathering - especially the smaller ones!!
Ha!
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Singer Songwriters who should be household names....
by hillary_step inover the decades musicians rise and fall like a spring wind.
some stay where they should never be, some never are where they should be; such is the roulette of time.
this thread is dedicated to singer songwriters who influence the rest of the best, but are seldom known - 'gamblers in the neon, clinging to guitars...' .
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undercover, I don't know if I listed James McMurtry, but I certainly meant to. I've seen him several times live, and he's a terrific performer and songwriter.
I also appreciate some of the more obscure songwriters listed. Thank you all for that.
Jesse Colin Young - quite popular back in the 60s. Glad to hear he's till going strong.
Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, also in the 60s. Started A&M Records and made a fortune. One of the members of the Brass was supposedly a Witness. Not positive. I think Alpert just gave like $5 million to some college.
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Congregation Get-Togethers: In or Out?
by TreadClimberMaster ini was reading redpill2006's post and i noticed that some mentioned that get-togethers or parties have been largely discouraged.
i stopped attending meetings in 2003/2004 and i remember my congregation still had get-togethers, although they were few and far between.
they were not completely discouraged though, has this changed?
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They started really discouraging large gatherings in the late 1980s. There was a DC part that dealt with it, then it was in a WT study article. The idea was to take a hint from how the WT and Awake! illustrations showed gatherings - 'cause this would show the rank and file what Jehovah himself wanted us to do. Lo and behold - you'd be hard pressed to see a dozen people at any JW gathering as illustrated in the literature. I have a feeling that that is still true. And usually they are all shown studying WTS literature or something, maybe singing Kingdom Melodies. Get real!
The rational, direct from Jehovah himself, I'm sure, is that any gathering larger than 8-12 is "hard for the friends to control," and as we all know, the WTS is all about controlling the friends. You know in GB thought, if the average JW isn't closely monitored, it'll only be seconds before the young ones are out in the parking lot doing the nasty in the back seat of somebody's car, and married brother handsome elder will be making out with married sister hottie on the back porch in the dark.
We used to have all congregation parties all the time from the 60s to the 80s - roller skating parties, congregation get-togethers, softball games, costume parties, basketball, dances. I used to organize congregation talent shows complete with food that went on for hours. All that has been strongly discouraged for the past 20 years.
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