Posts by Chook

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The reality of "shunning" and character assasination highlighted at the Australian Royal Commission

by stuckinarut2 in

once again, the arc has brilliantly highlighted the reality that any witness who either fades or disassociates is subjected to active official shunning by the organization.. the "brothers" tried to state that it was the choice of the indiviual who steps away from the organization to shun them!

they actually tried to make it out to be the fault of the one who leaves!

then they tried to say that those who fade are not shunned!.

Chook

If I was the judge on this RC , I would of turned it into a world spectacle, if I was young again and had the energy of youth I would choose to be a lawyer. Because as we watch the RC , we as xjw know that the commission could of nailed them better.

i would ask these WT reps if the awake in 1947 which said disfellowshipping is a pagan practice, were these writings under the direction of gods spirit?Then wait wait wait for a solid response. If any response had a flickering light response I would unleash all the back and forth of doctrine. If I cross examined I would of crucified Geoff Jackson on his "presumptuous " comment. And that lying lawyer Vin the Toole who said he had never heard of theocratic warfare. I would definitely have brought the boys undone. Karma is real

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Talked to a JW at a literature stand today

by nevermind in

guys,.

i need your help in trying to wrap my head around this strange experience i had today talking with a jw lady sitting at a literature table in a busy outdoor shopping center.. i'm a very shy person, but i always wanted to ask these jws at their literature stands questions to start them thinking about the validity of watchtower teaching.

i finally mustered my strength today to talk to this jw lady.

Chook

If I come across wittnesses who don't recognise me , I get the hypothetical story going.

"Hi I have a very good friend who is a Jehovah witness and he no longer talks to his 18 year old daughter " then ask? " have they heard of any in the JW church been baptised at 12yo , they answer yes , "then ask are they free to examine other religions at an age of maturity", as they swirm pin them down on the story of your friends daughter. Tell them the father shuns this girl based on a decision the child made when she was 12. Ask them if there church still practices this arrangement. Ask why the prodigal son didn't have a judicial inquiry.

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Uniting Church apologises to victims of sexual abuse, Jehovah's Witnesses defend treatment

by NikL in

apologies if this has been posted already.... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-10/uniting-church-in-australia-apologises-to-victims/8344496.

Chook

Imagine if JWs decided from now on all children baptised under age 18 can freely leave the church with no family sanctions or or those sexually abused are free to leave also with no sanctions. There would be a lot of people claiming to be abused just to get the ticket out, but as soon as they had there first birthday party or Christmas it would be back to the shunning and the church court goes full swing.

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Who can explain why the "Two Witness" rule is wrong, in the simplest term?

by DATA-DOG in

with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?

i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.

how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.

Chook

There is NOTHING wrong with the two witness rule because nearly all nations judicial systems have checks and balances so someone can't accuse a person of something without supporting evidence. The problem with WT is it has to be two humans, a court of law allows other factors which can support the accuser , such as e.g body damage to support a assault charge. Doctor evidence regarding rape.

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Are JW's Getting More Comfortable Discussing Politics?

by freemindfade in

just curious if anyone else has observed a more willingness by witnesses they know to openly discuss politics (out of the context of the "truth")?

i have noticed it within my own microcosms of jws i know.. have you observed this?.

i am sure with this last years political climate it's hard for anyone to resist chiming in.

Chook

They have always been happy talking politics. Is such and such a brother going to qualify for position of MS elder

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

Chook

I do believe, I believe he wants nothing to do with me.

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The reality of "shunning" and character assasination highlighted at the Australian Royal Commission

by stuckinarut2 in

once again, the arc has brilliantly highlighted the reality that any witness who either fades or disassociates is subjected to active official shunning by the organization.. the "brothers" tried to state that it was the choice of the indiviual who steps away from the organization to shun them!

they actually tried to make it out to be the fault of the one who leaves!

then they tried to say that those who fade are not shunned!.

Chook

The most alarming thing is that the GB hid behind diplomatic immunity . That's their real character. Baptism of children is a crime when a church puts sanctions on the child for not being able to explore other beliefs .

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What is having the biggest impact on the watchtower Bible and tract society?

by UnshackleTheChains in

hi all.. this is a reasonable question and would love to know what you think is having the biggest impact on watchtower.

there is a plethora of websites talking negatively of watchtower.

there are the never ending court cases regarding child abuse allegations.

Chook

INTERNET. It's the control of information which people base the beliefs and character on.

WT undoing is all old literature has been archived by only the apostates . JW don't want to know about the crackpot writings passed 1960, really they would like to wipe all there history . They will have hire trump to flush their CIA style leaks. Like I said it's all the internet. Information is king. The worlds peace isn't threatened by armies with weapons, its the internet , if the internet goes down ,money stops , food runs out for all major cities in 3 days. I truly believe there could be a great tribulation, but only because I see the vulnerability of a world that totally relies on electronic money ,electronic money cannot be dispensed with the internet.

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Elders Correspondence Guidelines PDF

by pale.emperor in

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0b0d-uj0uvjrasknuagrmd0vixza/view.

interesting reading.

a few things i learned from reading this that i wasn't aware of when i was a jw:.

Chook

I can't believe they still rule people's lives to the most intimate details. Done a great job PE . I had a quick look and am gobsmacked page 98 puts oral sex in the same category as bestiality . Well isn't the GBs bedroom life quite boring. But to impose such unbacked interpretation of scripture regarding oral sex is ludicrous. Just another case af creating more laws for the sheep.

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Voting

by Gary 61 in

do jehovah witnesses vote in politics?

general elections and so on!.

Chook

All religious politics is determined by votes, theocratic voting is to make sheep think it is gods guidance .They vote MS,Elders ect ect all the way to the top. Who sells most books gets most votes.