When they own records show that growth is not real growth, one can only imagine what the REAL records are ^^
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Kick50r
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Massive Plunge in Number of New JW Congregations from 1990 to 2014
by steve2 inin a separate thread on the very latest figures for the current world wide annual report of jws, discussion turned to how "we'll know decline has really set in.
one of the posters said: .
the figure that interests me most is the number of congregations.
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A cracking good JC! This is how it's done, folks.
by Island Man inin this jc the couple accused of apostasy, lay down some inconvenient and incontestable truths about the organization's teachings that leave the elders speechless - as far as them mustering any efforts to refute them.
oh and by the way, do you remember what geoffrey jackson said at the australian royal commission when he was asked about an inactive jw being called to account if the elders stopped by and find him celebrating the holiday?
don't worry if you've forgotten because the couple mentions it to the elders, you know, seeing as it's the very same reason why they're being accused of apostasy, thus proving geoffrey jackson's statements to be false!.
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Kick50r
From the Watchtower perspective ,the J.C. has ONLY 2 possible outcomes which unfortunately don't include leaving people leaving they lives peacefully
1 - Person(s) in question still believe whatever they believe at the JC time ( that may change next week as new light comes out)
2 - Person(s) are D.F. if they insist on whatever contrary ideas they have even if PROVEN true
The issues were generally well presented , but ofc the "brothers" didn't had a clue/ had heard them before and wanted to delay the D.F.
Problem is the 3rd option was not available and should.
If it is an option, avoiding the JC is a right as is just ignoring you ever were a JW and just dismiss it like a BIG MISTAKE we did in the past. I personally think the elders had heard that stuff before but that has to stick to they're minds for a long time I think.
I think when a Corporation dictates LAWS that interfere with people lives negatively it is in line to lock horns with a Government that will look to tap in that discontent. No need to be wise to see the unevitable .Witch one we wait to see
All the best for the ones involved
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Have we become what we despise so much?
by Tenacious inthe majority of members who tend to join this forum have been hurt possibly even traumatized sometimes to the point of wanting to end their lives.
upon joining the forum, new members are welcomed with open arms, welcome messages start pouring in, "likes" are freely given, a false sense of security is promoted where a member is free to speak his mind without having to worry about the wt gestapo.
again, similar to how potential converts are welcomed and "love bombed" upon entering a kh for the first time.
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Kick50r
Hello , Well since I don't despise Jw witness, including my family , but instead feel sorry for them as a whole I don't really know what to answer to that, but I understand your point of view I think and is valid.
I believe the answer depends on what people expect from this forum, on they being pleased with it, or disappointed.
Im here because I sympathize with the cause , have family in, like to read and write one in a while here.
Each one has its reason , but I wouldn't look at it as a religion which I think it was what your were doing , by comparing the 2 groups. Only outside religions can people freely speak out of theyre mind about anything, but thinking the human nature could be overcomed by all in a public forum seems a bit unrealistic to me.
I think its great when people disagree. How the hell would we move forward if everybody agreed in something Wrong?
Take Care
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How will the Watchtower Cult end?
by WireRider insome announcement of sorts?.
there are all kinds of conspiracy theories.
their head count and time cards are all faked by the gb, and "congregations".
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Kick50r
Well , +I don't think either the Watchtower will end, as others that existed before, because as long there is lack of information amongst people, religions spread if we take into account history and current statistics . The more technologically / information based a society is , the less % of persons believe in religions, basically.
I don't think Watchtower will be able to morph into mainstream anymore as any other but instead try to more around in the world to prey on the LESS information based society's. At some point I imagine they will be a small group regarded somewhat odd and stuck in time by people around them. How they will pass from big now to small after I don't know if just falling in numbers evenly with the years or by some blow in the finances like taxing them or something else. Ofc the Corporation will too try to predict they're end as to avoid it.
Either way I think will not end per se , but end as we now it as in relevant surely.
Take Care
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Do the Governing body really have the power some think they do?
by sherrie11 ini mentioned this in a previous post, i feel the current gb truly believe they are chosen by god and are indoctrinated just as much as the rank and file.
they are deluded in their belief that they are guardians of the doctrine.
they are suffering from cognitive dissonance just as much.
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Kick50r
"Governing body" pfff . 7 wolfs in sheep cloth that irradiate ignorance and cant even keep up with the economic excel sheets are all BUT governing anything.
Personally , I think that people that lie , omit evidence , deceit, order FALSE statements to be mass printed, orders bible changes to support they doctrine ,shows disrespect for children when providing directives and don't concerns about anything that is not the perpetuation of they're life style CANNOT "truly believe they are chosen by god and are indoctrinated just as much as the rank and file" AT ALL.
We are not talking of isolated people tribes in Africa.
These people have the means to analyse FACTS and react to them in the decisions they make that have consequences to MILLIONS of people around the world.
I think they are the true definition of what the society calls "bad apples" , the ones that came to be , because of EXPLOITING the lack of knowledge of others less fortunate that themsefs. I despise profoundly those kind of people, that I respect less than my cat.
Im sorry if I passed of as too aggressive , its is just a topic that boils my blood
“They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority.”
Take Care
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Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?
by slimboyfat inrecent developments make me think they might be.
the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.
one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.
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Kick50r
Religions generally speaking are losing believers at high rate don't matter what religion it is.
Watchtower scam only partakes of this formula at the moment.
As long as there is money flowing from society-religions may they be donations OR taxes redirected for the religions it will be hard to crack this nut. Good news is this is not a SACRED nut and I believe it WILL be cracked.
Take Care all
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Are JW's allowed to have close non JW friends?
by 007DB1 ini am a non-participating christian who is fully respectful of but never had anything to do with jw.. i have a jw friend who seems to closely follow his jw belief's.
i have met most of his family and friends who all are also jw's.
he says i am his only non-jw good friend.. he is getting married this year to his long time gf and with our recent growing more guarded and distant friendship, i am wondering what is going on?.
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Kick50r
Depends on the individual tenacity I guess. They don't encourage it, disapprove it , but if you choose to do so and have a GOOD preparation, there is NOTHING they can do apart of nagging the JW witness to drop the friendship.
just a quick note
"Your friend won't be able to get married in the kingdom hall if he has any "worldly" people in the wedding"
This is not completely true as my 2 sisters were married in the K.H. where the assemblies were made at that time , and I was the best man , was present , visible and was greeted by all. OFC they said to my sisters to try and go around me , but when people want the same thing , WHAT CAN DO A IGNORANT COPORATION AGAINST THEM?
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Hello, I'm new here too!
by redpilltwice inhi everybody, 1st post here.
20 years jw, elder for 6 years, regular pioneer for 3 years, have always been following the 2012 candace conti abuse case with much interest, especially since the case suddenly disappeared from www.watchtower.com's news section (thanks brother j. r. brown, office of public information, because it led me to "worldly" websites for more info), leading to more and more dissatisfaction , leading to jwfacts, jwsurvey, ad1914, wtdocuments etc., leading to my awakening about 4 months ago, now fading faster and faster to zero meetings and zero field service...and you know what?
it feels good!.
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Hello, this is my first post
by noralee inhello, this is my first post, i would like to introduce myself and say thank you to every one on this forum, you have been a lifeline to me these last few years.. i had been a jw for 30 years when i walked away a few years ago disgusted by the treatment victims of child abuse, domestic abuse and rape receive from the wtbts.. at first i thought it was a local problem, elders personal opinions, the way they handled the situations, imperfect men etc., until i checked out jehovahs witnesses and child abuse/domestic abuse online.
that's when i realized they had the same modus operandi worldwide.
that led me here, tbuo this forum, and then to crisis of conscience, jw facts, watchtower documents, jw survey, old watchtower literature and cd s, reading a couple of steve hassans books, and more recently exiting the jw cult.. the feelings of shock, betrayal, anger at the wtbts, angry with myself for being so gullible, depression, reflection, loneliness, have taken their toll.
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Kick50r
Hello , Welcome and congratulations for leaving the one fear instilling , greedy, clueless unilluminated corporation.
Good Luck and take Care
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Two JDubs just knocked on my door !
by Phizzy inthe exclamation mark in the title above is because i was surprised, as i know that i am a "do not call", but this was what i presume were now two elders,(i have not been told their present status), so they reckon they are equipped to handle me, lol.
it was a friendly chat, as i knew the guys for decades.. during the course of our chat i was able to lead them towards jwfacts.com, i did this by a circuitous route which i will not bore you with, but right at the end i said that bro russell had said no matter what the source of truth was, it was still truth.. i am hoping they do not fear going to the site, i also pointed out that paul grundy says if anything is wrong on his site, e-mail him and he will correct it.. i did get a couple of digs in, said the gb were now like rock stars, one guy said "i don't think they would like you calling them that", so i said " o.k, tv evangelists then".
he had no reply to that barb !.
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Kick50r
" Being friendly, polite, and amicable allows them to let down their guard and perhaps really "hear" what you're saying. " totally agree, regardless of being the right thing to do as well.
Although , I must admit , inducing cognitive dissonance in self righteous pioneers is something I do gladly for free ^^