Posts by Bartolomeo

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Did the Watchtower Society ban Vaccinations and Organ Transplants?

by Vanderhoven7 in

an avid wts supporter writes:.

re: vaccinations: vaccinations have never been banned.

if they were, then no representative of the wts would have been allowed to travel overseas when vaccines were compulsory around 1920 when vaccines was regularly in the news, there was both positive and negative information printed in the golden age (forerunner of the awake) but not from the staff writers, but from out side sources of article by medical doctors at the time and others that responded to those articles.. re: organ transplants: organ transplants were never forbidden by the society.

Bartolomeo

the problem underlying the transplants was mainly related to the conception of the time that the heart (organ) was actually "the seat of feelings and motives", what was later called "the symbolic heart". The change of understanding is documented in our literature and took place in 1988 (dx86-22 Heart - understanding clarified (1988): it-1 1057-1058)

Until then and especially in the early years of transplant surgery the position was of a general disgust towards this kind of surgery and by extension towards any form of organ transplantation.

w71 3/1 pp. 133-139 How Is Your Heart?

5 Where and what is your heart? You may say, What heart are you talking about? You know you have a heart in your chest, one that is pumping blood throughout your entire body, serving every single cell with that stream of life. But do you have another “heart” in your head, a “figurative heart”? Is it part of your brain or is it that abstract capacity of the brain that we call the “mind”? No! The brain, in which the mind resides, is one thing and the heart in our thorax, with its power of motivation, is another thing.

g70 10/22 pp. 29-31 Watching the World

Personality Change

◆ According to a report that appeared on United Press International of August 18, 1970, the daughter of Philip Blaiberg said that he had experienced a complete personality change after undergoing a heart-transplant operation. Blaiberg was one of the first to receive a transplanted heart. His daughter observed: “I don’t know if it was the drugs or just the transplant, but he was a different man.”

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Did the Watchtower Society ban Vaccinations and Organ Transplants?

by Vanderhoven7 in

an avid wts supporter writes:.

re: vaccinations: vaccinations have never been banned.

if they were, then no representative of the wts would have been allowed to travel overseas when vaccines were compulsory around 1920 when vaccines was regularly in the news, there was both positive and negative information printed in the golden age (forerunner of the awake) but not from the staff writers, but from out side sources of article by medical doctors at the time and others that responded to those articles.. re: organ transplants: organ transplants were never forbidden by the society.

Bartolomeo

BB

There may not be a quote that states a d/f penalty but it was well understood

This is because the same story always comes out: the WT often and willingly loves to behave and pronounce itself in an ambiguous way, so that one day it can always say: "We never said it, some had understood ..."

Think about it: organ transplants, 1975, vaccinations, relationships with disfellowshipped family members, the same tactic every time

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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one

by Mikejw in

here in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.

it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .

Bartolomeo

jhine

in Italy we have a saying: "Non c'è peggior sordo di chi non vuol sentire" (there is no worse deaf than someone who does not want to hear)

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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one

by Mikejw in

here in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.

it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .

Bartolomeo

This terse, high quality piece from Dr Sasha Latypova complements her two previous deep dives into the regulatory dossiers for the c19 injections from Pfizer & Moderna.

This one focuses on impacts on existing pregnancies.

It’s dreadful.
I’m not surprised.

Best wishes
Dr. Mike Yeadon

https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/covid-19-injections-in-pregnant-women-lead-to-8x-increase-in-spontaneous-abortions-and-3x-increase-in-stillbirths.-a48c57af

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JW's in war zone

by Gorb in

jw
friends

there is so much silence about the jw's in the ukraine conflict.

are the jw men arrested because they don't want to fight?

how is that going in the hyper nationalist fase the country is in?

Bartolomeo

nobody talks about the russians persecuted by ukrainians since 2014 in the Donbass? nobody wants those refugees? only the Russians?

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Did the Watchtower Society ban Vaccinations and Organ Transplants?

by Vanderhoven7 in

an avid wts supporter writes:.

re: vaccinations: vaccinations have never been banned.

if they were, then no representative of the wts would have been allowed to travel overseas when vaccines were compulsory around 1920 when vaccines was regularly in the news, there was both positive and negative information printed in the golden age (forerunner of the awake) but not from the staff writers, but from out side sources of article by medical doctors at the time and others that responded to those articles.. re: organ transplants: organ transplants were never forbidden by the society.

Bartolomeo

g72 7/8 pp. 27-28 “Keep Abstaining from . . . Blood”

And here again, it might be noted, that the stand of the Christian witnesses of Jehovah—that such transplants are in effect a form of cannibalism—proved a safeguard.

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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one

by Mikejw in

here in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.

it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .

Bartolomeo

Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283

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faithful and discreet slave appointed in 1919?

by enoughisenough in

12 when did jesus appoint the faithful slave over his domestics?

to answer that, we need to go back to 1914—the beginning of the harvest season.

as we learned earlier, at that time many groups claimed to be christian.

Bartolomeo

if in a future time they were to review and scrap 1914 the date of 1919 and the related teaching would automatically fall as a domino

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What other alternatives for the meaning of Babylon the Great ?

by enoughisenough in

i thought the reasoning sound as to the wt explaination of babylon the great, ( world empire of false religion ) but have any of you knowledge of other plausible explainations?

or knowledge of other sources that are in agreement with wt?

Bartolomeo

Good argument!

I believe that BTG is an entity that has played multiple roles over time, and I am of the opinion that it can currently be related to Big Pharma:

- exercises its power over governments

- commits immorality with national authorities

- she lives in the most extreme luxury and corrupts others with her wealth

- Rev. 18:23 says "...and by your spiritistic practices all the nations were misled" - spiritistic practices in the original greek is "pharmakeia" which literally means "the use of medicines, drugs"

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Smoking gun GB can’t get out of this one

by Mikejw in

here in 2022 if anyone says anything against the vaccines even a little bit you are almost apostate.. someone once mentioned all vaccinated sports stars collapsing and someone else said not to speak badly about the gb or by extension jehovah.. the gb can’t get out of this one, it’s gone too far.

it’s now the case that if you speak against the vaccines you are speaking against the gb and by extension jehovah .

Bartolomeo

@Chezdale - thank you for your solidarity message and welcome!

@Vidqun - very interesting your point of view on Rev. 6: 8, thanks for sharing it!

I have always considered myself an unconventional JW, in the sense that I have never been 100% in agreement on everything that we have always been taught and I have always had an open mind to different possible interpretations or new readings of the prophecies which, however, I always have kept for me.

Nevertheless, without too many problems, I supported the line taught by the GB because in any case I was convinced that even if they were not inspired they had (and I believe they still have sincerely) at heart the best interests of the whole brotherhood.

However, there is a limit to everything, and as we recently studied "Good intentions do not change what Jehovah requires" (2Sa 6:3-5; w05 5/15 17 ¶8), we remember David and Uzzah: even with the best of intentions they both violated the Law and paid for it harsh consequences.

The WT have always taught us as elders not to make decisions for other brothers in matters of conscience (blood fractions in primis). For vaccines, on the other hand, all these basic rules were violated and they were the first to say that 98% ~ of the Bethelites and missionaries were vaccinated and so on, thus exerting desired pressure while remembering almost every time that it is a matter of conscience. For me this is hypocrisy, two weights and two measures, what else can we call it? how can Jehovah, the guarantor of free will, tolerate it?

The responsibility of blood should never be underestimated. Think of that episode of David pouring water on the ground (water!) Because the action of procuring it had endangered the lives of three men! David said "How could I drink the blood of these men?" This is moral depth that should make the GB blush