I didn't give him the date of the article (which, I think is 1971). He's asking me for it. Says he's looking in a Reasoning book. Will the Reasoning book written in 1989 negate the 1971 article?
What difference will this make?
NeverKnew
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HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!
by NeverKnew inhe's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.
asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..
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HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!
by NeverKnew inhe's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.
asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..
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Stillin: I think they forgot the "sorry - our fault" part. :(
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HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!
by NeverKnew inhe's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.
asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..
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OUCH ...Mr. Freeze! :-/ am I supposed to be that direct? *giggling*
Ceders points out: Why, then, do we continue to highlight the nearness of the end? Because we take seriously Jesus’ words: “Keep looking, keep awake.”
Uh... yeah... Jesus also says that nobody knows the day or the hour - not even HE (Matt 24:36) and also warns us that many would come in His name saying that the time was at hand but not to go after them. (Luke 21:8).
It'd be nice if they included ALL of Jesus' sayings.
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HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!
by NeverKnew inhe's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.
asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..
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Dig... Totally understand what you mean to say, but maybe my response to him will help you understand where I'm coming from ...
In our prior conversations when I discussed the change between the pre-1995 masthead and the post-1995 masthead, I told him that I wouldn't have a problem with a statement like, "we believe that the generation of 1914 will not pass away" or "we believe that the Creator will wipe out the wicked folks" (duh... that's in the Bible), but when you move into the realm of "the Creator's promise"????
If your friend told you that he "believed" something to be true and was found wrong, you'd probably be okay with that. But if your friend said that a higher authority "promised" something s/he was saying to be true and it was learned that it wasn't true... how much respect would you have for that friend? Let's say you give them the benefit of the doubt. Wouldn't you still question his/her ability to hear or discern what the higher authority says? Dig, they claim that they are the ones giving spiritual food at the proper time. Then, they claim a lack of inspiration?
My question is, who dreamt about this inspired message?
UPDATE: He asked me if the WT ever claimed to be inspired. I told him that i was apprehensive to do his research for him but provided him with an excerpt of a WT article titled "They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them" and Deut. 18:20-22. I told him that, to me, that's what they were saying and that I couldn't say how he would percieve the article.
I copied and pasted the excerpt for him, but you can find it at http://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/jehovahs-witness-organization-prophet-god.
Looking through everyone's advice next. :)
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HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!
by NeverKnew inhe's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.
asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..
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I love this place!
Let me make this clearer. These friendships are way beyond a return visit and have lasted for more than a decade. :) The friendships were not formed in JW land so our histories are outside of the spiritual realm. Being a worldly who has stood by their sides in good times and bad, I have a lot more leeway than other JWs or "met them in a doorway" worldlies. I care about them - and they know it from my words and actions.
I am fully convinced that the Society has conned everyone. I have read about the sadness, lonliness and despair that those who have left have felt. I have also read about those who now feel at peace in being out. I am torn as to whether I should leave well enough alone, or if I should push the issue. I am very concerned about the devastation, anger and sadness felt once it's learned and accepted that one has been lied to and don't want anyone to feel that pain.
By the same token, if they're going to present me with their truth and ask me to consider it, they better be prepared to present me with some answers. So far, they've failed miserably. Unfortunately for them, they're talking to an empty nester who has plenty of time to research and live ex-JWs who can cut to the chase to help her.
...poor things. If they only knew.
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HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!
by NeverKnew inhe's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.
asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..
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I sent an exceprt from the "a prophet was among them" article...
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HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!
by NeverKnew inhe's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.
asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..
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He's asking if I've read the first page of the new Watchtower.
Says page 8 admits and exposes the Society's mistaken expectations.
Says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation
asking if it is my position that Witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets...
And saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the Bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of God's timetable and see how God handled that.
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Awake! 2013 - They finally dropped 'That' statement!
by Splash init's been widely reported on jwn and other places about the change to the caption in the inside front page of awake!.
from 1982 - 1995 it stated:.
"most importantly, this magazine builds confidence in the creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new order before the generation that saw the events of 1914 c.e.
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Okay, I'm in the northeast... I wasn't sure if they were kept somewhere until a "distribution to the congregation" date.
"Delivered to" = "available for distribution." Got it.
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Awake! 2013 - They finally dropped 'That' statement!
by Splash init's been widely reported on jwn and other places about the change to the caption in the inside front page of awake!.
from 1982 - 1995 it stated:.
"most importantly, this magazine builds confidence in the creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new order before the generation that saw the events of 1914 c.e.
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NeverKnew
Have the R&F seen/obtained them yet? I'd like to express my concerns/questions about the masthead change to my friends after I'm sure they have them in their possession.
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Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals
by Ethos ini agreed yesterday to engage in the '607' topic.
i've read numerous threads and am well aware that this topic has been addressed and dissected quite thoroughly.
therefore, if you are uninterested in participating, that's fine.
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NeverKnew
I presented the following to a JW elder. He assured me he'd go to the library to find a source OTHER than the WT who supported 607. I have yet to see him.
