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Christian questions to ask current JWs
by Christ Alone in
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2. beliefs
here are some questions that i thought would be interesting to ask a jw if they were open to a free and open discussion.

this assumes a christian worldview that the bible is the word of god.

if you have any others, please post them!
NeverKnew

Apog: If you think Gen 19:24 is interesting, you'll probably want to see Amos 4:11!!!
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Most Current Teaching?
by NeverKnew in
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are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
NeverKnew

I have a pdf of kingdom interlinear on my home computer. Hopefully kingdom is singular in that book. He has the actual KI and we are seeing each other tomorrow.
I may ask him to bring it.
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Most Current Teaching?
by NeverKnew in
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are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
NeverKnew

Ding.... ahhhh, thank you.
Because I don't own a NWT, I've asked that we read the ESV so he was responding from an ESV.
I've railed against the NWT, so, as thorough as he is, I can assure you he is using the Bible app we have both downloaded on to our phones and making comparisons.
The Youversion Bible is a great free app for anyone interested.
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Most Current Teaching?
by NeverKnew in
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are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
NeverKnew

Oh what a tangled web they've woven.....
Thanks. I'm a Trinitarian... born-in so to deconstuct, I am working really hard to understand constructs.
The roadblocks built seem to be neverending.
I suspect right now he's trying to figure out why his WT is saying the opposite of the verses presented.
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Most Current Teaching?
by NeverKnew in
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are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
NeverKnew

And yet the witnesses claim that Jesus used hellfire and the immortal soul in a parable. But it was all completely fictional?
Wait... I'm so sleepy I'm cross-eyed. Are you being serious?
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Most Current Teaching?
by NeverKnew in
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are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
NeverKnew

Off the phone. We were talking about Beth Sarim's Deed. He was able to tell me about what he'd learned in the Proclaimer's book. I asked him if they mentioned Beth Shan. He said, "I'm pretty sure it'd be in there." I then asked what the current teaching was with respect to these men from the OT... he shot back, "well, they sold the property so what's that tell you?" I said, "It doesn't tell me whether you believe these folks are going to be in heaven or on Earth."
He danced around the topic for 3-4 minutes before I pinned him down with, "Look, if the Creator was sitting in front of you and asked you where HE said the men would be, what would your answer be?" FINALLY I got "in heaven."
He then acquiesed to my having a more solid foundation of the history of the organization and the evolution of "adjustments"... blah blah blah... Thanks to you, I had my answer 10 minutes before he stepped in that pile of doo-doo he was shoveling towards me!
I responded cooly, "maybe you should take a peek at your WT from June, 2011 to learn more about what your doctrines are then get back to me. We better get to bed. I love you."
I really wish I could have snuck Hebrews in there... I'm sure he'll pick the topic back up within the next few days. He'll get doused with Luke 13:28 and Hebrews 11:16.
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by NeverKnew in
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are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
NeverKnew

Good one... noted. We're at an impasse. He's trying to pull back... I haven't told him what the WT says his position should be....
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by NeverKnew in
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are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
NeverKnew

I love you guys....
On the phone now asking really hard questions of someone about Matthew 8:11
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by NeverKnew in
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are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.
NeverKnew

Are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob returning to Earth or Heaven?
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New World Translation
by MsD in
1. jw
2. friends
it may seem like a stupid question but who was responsible for translating their version of the bible?

i heard it was ray franz, several governing body members.

does anybody have any legitimate info that can prove who exactly translated it?
NeverKnew

"Walsh Trial" - Scotland in all of its 800+ pages of glory...
http://archive.org/stream/WalshTrial/Walsh_Trial#page/n13/mode/2up
You can google "Walsh Trial" and "Jehovah" and be led to some very interesting snippets.