what was the result?
i have seen answers strewn throughout many posts but never consolidated.
this is important.
Phizzy -
This is for people who have been exposed to historical truths of the WTS. The WT material's answers (or lack thereof) may be really bothering them so they should know what chain of events could happen before discussions with their elders.
Please help me.
yep, i was comparing the nwt with the greek, which, incidentally uses words like 'grace' and 'spirit' instead of 'undeserved kindness' and 'gifts of the spirit'.
i pointed out these mistranslations to my dear husband.. then i showed him 2 tim 2:5-6 in the nwt and the original greek (strong's, westcott and hort) as well, where it says jesus became mediator for all and showed him in the wt where it says jesus is only mediator for 144 000. i also showed him an instance in the wt where it raves on about hating 'apostates' and others, then showed him matthew 5:44 "however i say to you: continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you.".
i didn't have to say anything 'apostate'; just show him the contrasting texts.. then i showed him the "shepherd" book where it says one can get dfd for "deliberately spreading teachings contraryto bible truth as taught by jebovah's witnesses" (ibid, pg 65) and told him that i've deliberately told him something different to the wt teaching therefore in the elders' eyes, i can be dfd.
Ya, Julia!
Does he seem nervous at all?
what was the result?
i have seen answers strewn throughout many posts but never consolidated.
this is important.
What was the result?
I have seen answers strewn throughout many posts but never consolidated. This is important.
in a talk i heard recently, the brother was talking about how jws had certain expectations about the end, acknowledging 1914, 1925, surely before 1935 and 1975, then we learned that it's not in our jurisdiction to know jehovah's timetable.
then he said, some say that because we made those mistakes, some say jws are false prophets.
he said that was "simplistic thinking".
My friend told me that there had been no false prophecy for the WTS never claimed to be prophets. I showed him otherwise in the April 1, 1972 WT article.
He then fell back on "they made a bad prediction."
I asked him to show me the difference between a "false prophet" and a "bad predictor" using his Bible.
I have yet to hear an answer from him.
things for jehovah's witnesses to think hard about.. .
1.you cannot change what you refuse to confront.. look at how you are feeling most of the time.
that sense of going nowhere and feeling down is not because you aren't spritual enough.
marking
40+ yrs ago when i moved into this congregation's territory i became good friends with a brother in the congregation, about 20 yrs older than me and about mildest, most easy going person you could meet.
he was just full of old fashion country style common sense, taught me a lot about country life, like heating with firewood, (yes, there is a lot to know about cutting and heating with wood), taught me how to skin and cut up deer, he would help anyone who needed help........., so about 30 yrs ago he was df'd.
we would occasionally bump into each other, i would never not say hello, but him knowing i wasn't suppose to talk to him he would (and i) just move on.
Awwww, Pontoon. That's GREAT! I'm sure your friend will be truly grateful for the companionship after all these years. :)
kansas.
maryland.
delaware.
Haha! I've thought about that too. Then, I tried to remember the faces or names of people who had won any lottery in the last year. I couldn't.
I've decided I'll take my chances and remain in PA.
is the information on this webpage* regarding the socioeconomic conditions of jws a fair connection to the all too familiar wts quote of 1969?
does the report's statistics appear to be plausible given your personal observations?
*even though many others have copied and pasted the article (including the individual who created the page hyperlinked above), i'm apprehensive about doing so for copyright reasons.
I a shocked that is says there are more minorities in the US than white members. But perhaps that is due to the region in which I live. Not much cultural diversity in the Congs in which I have associated.
Before I forget, I think you'll enjoy this. I was reading these statistics to a very good friend of mine and came upon that 52% minority figure. She wondered aloud "I wonder what the ratio is for Baptists." The statistic was actually in the article and I shared it with her (30% Black). Her response? "There are that many people who identify themselves as Baptists who are white!?! Where are they?"
Reading your statement made me smile...
is the information on this webpage* regarding the socioeconomic conditions of jws a fair connection to the all too familiar wts quote of 1969?
does the report's statistics appear to be plausible given your personal observations?
*even though many others have copied and pasted the article (including the individual who created the page hyperlinked above), i'm apprehensive about doing so for copyright reasons.
By keeping them on the lowest rung of the ladder they were more likely to keep them involved in the religion that promised them a better future. They all needed and wanted a better future because of the horrible present life they suffered.
I read this statement earlier this afternoon and had to digest it.
DoC, over the last year and a half, I've observed and cringed at the circumstances of my dearest friend's family. This statement suggests a huge contributing reason for their mindsets. There really IS nowhere else to go because going means a disintegration of the hope they've been sold.
I'm still digesting but .... Is it possible that they're all just waiting for their deliverance?
is the information on this webpage* regarding the socioeconomic conditions of jws a fair connection to the all too familiar wts quote of 1969?
does the report's statistics appear to be plausible given your personal observations?
*even though many others have copied and pasted the article (including the individual who created the page hyperlinked above), i'm apprehensive about doing so for copyright reasons.
Can'tleave - I'm trying. I'm really trying.
Snare - I agree.
Tiki, Mum, Amber, Fink, Clarity and dear Gma - I hate that you have such a personal knowlege of this reality. I'm having a tough time with the potential that was ripped from everyone. I just wish there had been more exposure to the outside world to have created a much larger public debacle the WTS would have had to have answered to. It seems like this passed quietly by and I'm sorry. Heck I was born in the 60's so there was nothing I could have done. I just wish the world could have protected you.
Steve, Talesin, Mum, and Tater - Looking at the numbers I just read? I am incredibly proud of you and will use your stories.
LisaRose, Lois & Mum - Bad relationships hurt while you're in them but make you stronger. Over time, you recognize a confidence within yourself that some have never known. I'm grateful for that SOB I married. *giggling*
I can't even begin to tell you how many of my non-jw friends have come to me with circumstantial challenges I can barely stand to listen to anymore. When someone comes with a challenge that requires a reset of everything they've ever known - I'm sure I'll be more tolerant.
All - You are all survivors of a hand of cards that was hard to beat, but even by being here, it's clear that you're doing everything you can to change your personal score!
