been doing a bit of research trying to tie in together a few different strands.. not too sure what happened to christianity and how organised religion took hold again after the apostles died off.. i know jerusalem was sacked 70 ce.
but lots to fill in from that point onwards to bring us to where we are today.. if a few peeps could help to condense and simplify the info down into a few bite size pieces it would give us a starting point to begin to re-educate ourselves to the truth.
and fill in the blanks.
Back on topic.
Lost, to get an idea of how old the RC church is, look at their lineage of popes. I think many would be surprised.
My JW boyfriend looked like he was having a panic attack when I showed him. I led into with, "isn't it cool that there have already been at least 3 popes from Africa already?"
I had never gotten dumped off at home so fast in my life fastest trip home.
this isn't a jw experience, but for those of you that have been following my life, i thought i'd have a drink and share this strange event in my post-jw life.. for you wonderful newbies, you can catch up on highlights of my story in the few threads i've started here.
i'm finishing the junior year of my engineering degree and the classes are hard as hell.
i used to be among the smartest students in the room until i hit the 300 level university courses.
Billy...
Doesn't it feel good to submit an answer that may have been a little off but rewarded for everything you've done right? *giggling*
Personal story:
After a nearly perfect SAT math score, I started off my college career in Engineering and realized I was more interested in the behaviors of my classmates than the coursework.
One day I read Albert Einstein's quote,
"Everybody is a genius. But, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life believing it is stupid."
I ended up switching schools and leaving a better school with a 3.97 GPA. Integrated my technical interest with my people interest and received a BS in IT with an emphasis on Business.
CONGRATULATIONS! It looks like you got off land and found your ocean! I am soooo proud of you. :)
i believe that jehovah's witnesses are mostly honest people.
it's unfortunate for the honest ones -- especially embarrasing -- if they're ambushed by some person in their door to door work with evidence that their leadership throughout modern history has knowingly said things that are not true.
the following essay attempts to document one such trail of watchtower dishonesty.
Loved this essay
while you were sitting in that uncomfortable folding chair the other night.... listening to something you've heard already a thousand times before.... do you know what was happening at the same time?.
somebody somewhere else was studying a real textbook.
somebody was cramming for a college exam.
Good points....
i have seen on this site recordings of jw elders at tribunal meetings claim other churches hate the name jehovah.
one former baptist now jw elder said other churches hate the name and never use it.
please look at the following and there are many more hymns not included than these.
Honeybucket: Congratulations for being so brave. :)
If you were to ask around, I'd have to guess you would be hard pressed to find a traditional Christian who would express an aversion to the use of the name "Jehovah". I had no clue that the JWs were teaching a mandatory use of this name and my knowledge about JWs probably fell well within norms. I just thought they leverage the name Jehovah cause they were? Jehovah's witnesses! Boy was I a moron.
i have seen on this site recordings of jw elders at tribunal meetings claim other churches hate the name jehovah.
one former baptist now jw elder said other churches hate the name and never use it.
please look at the following and there are many more hymns not included than these.
Another tradition of some black churches is to have performers with dancing or mimes. In tradition with our culture, there's more color, the movements are more flamboyant, the voices are very assertive.
Maybe not fair, but I decided I'd much rather watch a mime act praising God than a training session on how to slam a householder with the finite wisdom of a group of men in Brooklyn.
I'm so angry for him... not with him... for him today. Can you tell? *sigh*
There are several small church postings of performances on Youtube. I wouldn't DARE show him a MIME version of the song - he'll swear the performers are worshipping the devil. :( Here's an example of two mime artists performing during a service - same song - you know, the one with the name Jehovah in it.
i have seen on this site recordings of jw elders at tribunal meetings claim other churches hate the name jehovah.
one former baptist now jw elder said other churches hate the name and never use it.
please look at the following and there are many more hymns not included than these.
Just an alternate name for us, Barry! We do not necessarily deny alternate names. In fact, I even heard "Allah" used recently.
In the interest of the name Jehovah, I read a BULLCRAP article in a Watchtower publication that talked about some Protestant that argued with a JW about why the name "Jehovah" wasn't used in the printing of a Bible. The response was a hilarious one... something about re-printing costs? Just about everyone on here knows that "Jehovah" is the invention of a Roman Catholic monk. Well, guess what, the Protestant movement was originally a rejection of Roman Catholicism and SO... would it make sense for the Protestant churches to start recongizing the name a Roman Catholic monk made up as God's true name? Absolutely not. Knowledge is power.... get some.
Barry, because you were asking about music in America, here is one of my favorite songs. Many mornings, I listen to it on my way to work. In it, you'll hear the name "Jehovah Jirah" and "God". I so wish I could share this song with my JW friends. I'd love for someone to tell me where the song crosses the line of JW doctrine. They miss out on so much. :'(
This cult hurts.
More ethnic version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUaGoS2LW5g
Larger choir - mixed diversity (kinda cleansed for a broader audience - you'll be able to tell in the end)
i haven't got much of a story.
i'm in my late teens, grew up in it, and got out of the society's regime by the skin of my teeth.
nearly go baptized because i firmly did believe it was the "truth" but because of a gut feeling that held me back, that i almost ignored, i didn't sign my blood to big brother.
Your name is hilarious. WELCOME! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4bq0akfvxo what do you think?
could this have been a mental health issue?
may be she was excited?
WAHOO! ANOTHER BAPTISM REVERSAL!
after being put under a lot of pressure by family and ex-friends to attend the memorial this year (i didn't).
i'm thinking of attending next year and drinking the wine and eating the bread.
because i beleive the whole memorial to be a rejection of christ ceremony.. i'm prepared to receive a lot of weird death stare looks.. has anyone here ever partaken?
Just because one takes the stance of being an atheist doesn't mean disrespecting the theological teachings of Christianity.
Secular humanist ideology mostly steps in hand with Christianity when you really think about it.
Good point. :)
I'd be curious as to how many non-jws brain-slept through the ceremony and then partook. I sincerely don't think it's a matter of IF it happened. I'm sure they weren't counted.
