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Words that were really hard to hear...

by NeverKnew in

jw
friends

last night, i listened to words that were really hard to hear.

i'm not sure how much of the conversation i blocked out.. i intentionally initiated a conversation with a jw man that i've grown very fond of who has been talking about marriage next year as recently as last weekend (our anniversary weekend).

we have had the conversation before, but i have to admit, i have a tough time listening and i find that i leave the conversations not believing what i'm hearing so therefore i can't seem to retain the details.

NeverKnew

Lisa: "Fact is, he is in a relationship with you. This means that either he doesn't really think Jehovah is disappointed in his relationship with you, or he does think Jehovah is disappointed in the relationwhip but he could care less about disappointing Jehovah."

Wow... Lisa... I could call him on that. I'd be leaning towards ultimatum but I love the "it's either a or b, which is it" element to your argument.

Carla: I believe you nailed it. Recently, he did a demonstration of a field service call where he introduced us as husband and wife to a prospective victim, I mean "householder" and I was nauseous. I haven't agreed with one WT element in the last year!

"Hello householder. There is doom and gloom and corruption in the world, don't you agree?" (I think he was waiting for me to jump into the householder's role, but I refrained and stayed silent so he continued). And the householder says, "yes, it's getting bad."

"I want to share some good news with you because soon this will be over." HERE, I jumped. "Given Matthew 24:36 could you define soon?"

"It's prophecy... in Isaiah 72..." he says.

I interrupted with, "Wait, if you're about to tell me that a prophecy written over 2,000 years ago says something is going to happen soon, that timeframe is a little off from my definition of 'soon'. Aren't you getting ahead of Jehovah by inferring that something is going to happen 'soon'? And what about Luke 21:8-9 that tells us not to be decieved or worried or follow those who tell us the time is near? Isn't 'soon' the same as 'near'? Are you guys not worried about Jehovah's perception of you???? I can't talk about this...."

I think he learned I'd suck at FS. The truth is, I suck at not being honest. The more information I have, the more I find myself chasing the rabbit... with a shotgun.

*sigh*

I'm sorry. I digress. Yes, Carla, I think you may be right. he is having pipedreams.

We're both too old to be having kids. I'm secure in or out of a marriage and been there once. I know it's work.

I'm just trying to understand from those who have been where he is. Is it more loving of me to fight this Mind Crime? If he ever got out, he would understand that I loved him and tried.

Or, is it more loving to leave him alone so that he won't suffer the torment (self-inflicted or externally inflicted) of being married/in a relationship with a worldly?

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Words that were really hard to hear...

by NeverKnew in

jw
friends

last night, i listened to words that were really hard to hear.

i'm not sure how much of the conversation i blocked out.. i intentionally initiated a conversation with a jw man that i've grown very fond of who has been talking about marriage next year as recently as last weekend (our anniversary weekend).

we have had the conversation before, but i have to admit, i have a tough time listening and i find that i leave the conversations not believing what i'm hearing so therefore i can't seem to retain the details.

NeverKnew

Last night, I listened to words that were really hard to hear. I'm not sure how much of the conversation I blocked out.

I intentionally initiated a conversation with a JW man that I've grown very fond of who has been talking about marriage next year as recently as last weekend (our anniversary weekend). We have had the conversation before, but I have to admit, I have a tough time listening and I find that I leave the conversations not believing what I'm hearing so therefore I can't seem to retain the details. Overall, there was very little difference this time.

I asked what fears he held in walking down an aisle with me. He stated that he is realizing that I don't believe what the organization is saying (I'm VERY verbal about my uh... we will call it "confusion"). There were points made about not being promoted (not sure of the term) to MS or elder and being looked down upon within the congregation. But folks, the absolute worse thing I heard was that he was okay with losing communication with the few family members in, but that he was having a the worst time with the fact that marrying me would "disappoint" Jehovah. My heart sank.

I have a relatively thick skin and, out of a love for him, I've spent a year learning about the history of the organization along with the psychology of being in (thanks to you guys), but it's impossible to hear something like this and not feel thoroughly insulted.

I'd been trying to crack the WT's stronghold and had made progress until he started asking the elders to help him with my questions. Since then, I've been talking to a wall. I thought about insisting he read Hassan's CCMC and asking him to promise me that there were no correlations to his organization but I don't know what affect that would have, if any.

There is no doubt he loves me, but given his current indoctrinated state and what he would have to endure, is it more loving for me to walk away?

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Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause immediate irreparable harm and hardship

by cedars in

a new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.

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cedars.

NeverKnew

and thanks for posting the article Cedars. :)

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Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause immediate irreparable harm and hardship

by cedars in

a new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.

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cedars.

NeverKnew

(let me try again, here)

To make their argument, the judge will require that they submit a financial impact statement or similar document as part of their argument.

If the financials look screwy, there is an arm set up for a review.

I believe it's called the District Attorney and Attorney General's Offices. I hope it works out.

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Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause immediate irreparable harm and hardship

by cedars in

a new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.

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cedars.

NeverKnew

I've worked for the Courts for 19 years.

Like I said above, it's a chess game.

Plaintiffs are ahead...

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Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause immediate irreparable harm and hardship

by cedars in

a new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.

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cedars.

NeverKnew

Posted this on another thread, but figured I should copy it on this one too. :)

Yes, it's a legal manuever. It's what is supposed to happen. They are playing chess. That's why you hire attorneys.

BUT GUESS WHAT EVERYONE GETS????? MORE INFO!!!!! The plaintiff's refusal to agree to these terms was a great decision!

As a result of the refusal, the WT will have to supply the Courts with MORE financial documents to prove their claim of being broke (which, btw, will become part of the public record)! I love it! MORE EXPOSURE!

I would hate to have to weed through all of the legal names the WT leverages. I suspect that money is parsed out into "safe haven" subsidiaries of a parent company that were legally established so the financial records of say the real estate holding subsidiary (or subsidiaries) are separate from, say, the financial records of the publishing company subsidiary. Drilling down further, there could be multiple subsidiaries of a primary real estate holding subsidiary (that is held, in name only, as the parent company of the mini-subsidiaries). As a corporation, this protects your money. I do believe that the WT legal team has "reallocated" funds into other pots and this is certainly known by the plaintiff's legal team. BUT, while the plaintiff's don't have the legal leverage to require financial records to prove the claim - the Courts WILL have the leverage!

Go Plaintiffs!!!!!!

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The Very Latest Candace Conti vs. The Watchtower News

by God_Delusion in

we all saw this coming - http://www.jehovahswitnessblog.com/jw-lawsuits/latest-candace-conti-news/.

NeverKnew

Yes, it's a legal manuever. It's what is supposed to happen. They are playing chess. That's why you hire attorneys.

BUT GUESS WHAT EVERYONE GETS????? MORE INFO!!!!! The plaintiff's refusal to agree to these terms was a great decision!

As a result of the refusal, the WT will have to supply the Courts with MORE financial documents to prove their claim of being broke (which, btw, will become part of the public record)! I love it! MORE EXPOSURE!

I would hate to have to weed through all of the legal names the WT leverages. I suspect that money is parsed out into "safe haven" subsidiaries of a parent company that were legally established so the financial records of say the real estate holding subsidiary (or subsidiaries) are separate from, say, the financial records of the publishing company subsidiary. Drilling down further, there could be multiple subsidiaries of a primary real estate holding subsidiary (that is held, in name only, as the parent company of the mini-subsidiaries). As a corporation, this protects your money. I do believe that the WT legal team has "reallocated" funds into other pots and this is certainly known by the plaintiff's legal team. BUT, while the plaintiff's don't have the legal leverage to require financial records to prove the claim - the Courts WILL have the leverage!

Go Plaintiffs!!!!!!

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Saved By the Bell JW Co-Star in People Magazine

by turtleturtle in

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NeverKnew

I find it interesting that her mother doesn't chime in with any JW speak... Like, the daughter will be cured in the new system or something like that. Is it just naturally known not to express the beliefs?

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More Pedophile Litigation - MSNBC

by NeverKnew in

msnbc: boy scouts release secret child abuse files - the pain and anguish of thousands.

contained within this article:.

"media organizations had sued for the release of the files, part of a 2010 case in which a portland, ore., jury decided that the scouts were negligent in allowing a former assistant scoutmaster to associate with the organization's youth after he admitted molesting 17 boys.".

NeverKnew

What about the R&F?

Going to try and use Rub's technique but I have to tailor it to the audience. I have direct access to a few R&F.

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More Pedophile Litigation - MSNBC

by NeverKnew in

msnbc: boy scouts release secret child abuse files - the pain and anguish of thousands.

contained within this article:.

"media organizations had sued for the release of the files, part of a 2010 case in which a portland, ore., jury decided that the scouts were negligent in allowing a former assistant scoutmaster to associate with the organization's youth after he admitted molesting 17 boys.".

NeverKnew

OH Rub! That's HILARIOUS!

Is the possibility of a WT pedophile list known among the elders?