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  are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.

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  NeverKnew

  I have a pdf of kingdom interlinear on my home computer. Hopefully kingdom is singular in that book. He has the actual KI and we are seeing each other tomorrow.

  I may ask him to bring it.
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  Ding.... ahhhh, thank you.

  Because I don't own a NWT, I've asked that we read the ESV so he was responding from an ESV.

  I've railed against the NWT, so, as thorough as he is, I can assure you he is using the Bible app we have both downloaded on to our phones and making comparisons.

  The Youversion Bible is a great free app for anyone interested.
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  Oh what a tangled web they've woven.....

  Thanks. I'm a Trinitarian... born-in so to deconstuct, I am working really hard to understand constructs.

  The roadblocks built seem to be neverending.

  I suspect right now he's trying to figure out why his WT is saying the opposite of the verses presented.
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  And yet the witnesses claim that Jesus used hellfire and the immortal soul in a parable. But it was all completely fictional?

  Wait... I'm so sleepy I'm cross-eyed. Are you being serious?
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  Off the phone. We were talking about Beth Sarim's Deed. He was able to tell me about what he'd learned in the Proclaimer's book. I asked him if they mentioned Beth Shan. He said, "I'm pretty sure it'd be in there." I then asked what the current teaching was with respect to these men from the OT... he shot back, "well, they sold the property so what's that tell you?" I said, "It doesn't tell me whether you believe these folks are going to be in heaven or on Earth."

  He danced around the topic for 3-4 minutes before I pinned him down with, "Look, if the Creator was sitting in front of you and asked you where HE said the men would be, what would your answer be?" FINALLY I got "in heaven."

  He then acquiesed to my having a more solid foundation of the history of the organization and the evolution of "adjustments"... blah blah blah... Thanks to you, I had my answer 10 minutes before he stepped in that pile of doo-doo he was shoveling towards me!

  I responded cooly, "maybe you should take a peek at your WT from June, 2011 to learn more about what your doctrines are then get back to me. We better get to bed. I love you."

  I really wish I could have snuck Hebrews in there... I'm sure he'll pick the topic back up within the next few days. He'll get doused with Luke 13:28 and Hebrews 11:16.
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  Good one... noted. We're at an impasse. He's trying to pull back... I haven't told him what the WT says his position should be....
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  I love you guys....

  On the phone now asking really hard questions of someone about Matthew 8:11
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  Are Abraham, Isaac and Jacob returning to Earth or Heaven?
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  it may seem like a stupid question but who was responsible for translating their version of the bible?

  i heard it was ray franz, several governing body members.

  does anybody have any legitimate info that can prove who exactly translated it?

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  "Walsh Trial" - Scotland in all of its 800+ pages of glory...

  http://archive.org/stream/WalshTrial/Walsh_Trial#page/n13/mode/2up

  You can google "Walsh Trial" and "Jehovah" and be led to some very interesting snippets.
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  so, my mother in law who is still active went out in service with the group that had the co visit and came back with some very interesting news.

  first off, she knows that we are fading and is ok with it and has some doubts herself.

  anyhow, she said that the co went off track during the meeting before service and mentioned how we are now allowed to receive up to 33% of blood in a transfusion.

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  Moshe, I'm trying to figure out why that hasn't happened when the vaccination and organ transplant policies changed!

  Hard to copy and paste, but you'll see the progression in vaccination... look familiar?

  The Golden Age, 1921-OCT-12, Page 17.	"Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice...We are in the last days; and the devil is slowly losing his hold, making a strenuous effort meanwhile to do all the damage he can, and to his credit can such evils be placed...Use your rights as American citizens to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccinations."
  The Golden Age, 1923-JAN-3, Page 214.	"The public is not generally aware of how large an industry is the manufacture of serums, anti-toxins and vaccines, or that big business controls the whole industry. . . . the boards of health endeavor to start an epidemic of smallpox, diphtheria, or typhoid that they may reap a golden harvest by inoculating an unthinking community for the very purpose of disposing of this manufactured filth."
  The Golden Age, 1929-JAN-5, Page 502.	"Thinking people would rather have smallpox than vaccination, because the latter sows seeds of syphilis, cancers, eczema, erysipelas, scrofula, consumption, even leprosy and many other loathsome affections. Hence the practice of vaccinations is a crime, an outrage, and a delusion."
  The Golden Age, 1931-JAN-4, Page 293.	"Vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood."
  The Golden Age, 1935-APR-2, Page 465	"As vaccination is a direct injection of animal matter in the blood stream, vaccination is a direct violation of the law of Jehovah God."
  Consolidation, 1939-MAY-31, Page 8.	Oh, yes, serums vaccines, toxins, inoculations, are all 'harmless,' because the man who is selling them says so. You, my friends, believe this LIE, and continue to submit your body to these violations; then all I can say is, 'God have mercy on your soul'…. All vaccination is unphysiological a crime against nature."
  The Watchtower, 1952-DEC-15, Page 764.	"Is vaccination a violation of God's law forbidding the taking of blood into the system?" "The matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself....And our Society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out." "After consideration of the matter, it does not appear to us to be in violation of the everlasting covenant made with Noah, as set down in Genesis 9:4, nor contrary to God's related commandment at Leviticus 17:10-14. Most certainly it cannot reasonably or Scripturally be argued and proved that, by being vaccinated, the inoculated person is either eating or drinking blood and consuming it as food or receiving a blood transfusion. Vaccination does not bear any relationship to or any likeness to the intermarriage of angelic "sons of God" with the daughters of men, as described in Genesis 6:1-4. Neither can it be put in the same class as described at Leviticus 18:23-24, which forbids the mingling of humans with animals. It has nothing to do with sex relations."
  The Watchtower, 1961-NOV-1, Page 670.	"As to the use of vaccines and other substances that may in some way involve the use of blood in their preparation, it should not be concluded that the Watch Tower Society endorses these and says that the practice is right and proper. However, vaccination is a virtually unavoidable practice in many segments of modern society, and the Christian may find some comfort under the circumstances in the fact that this use is not in actuality a feeding or nourishing process, which was specifically forbidden when God said that man was not to eat blood, but it is a contamination of the human system."
  Awake!, 1965-AUG-22, Page 20.	"There can be little doubt that vaccinations appear to have caused a marked decrease in contagious diseases."
  Awake!, 1993-AUG-8, Page 25.	"Previous articles in this journal and its companion, The Watchtower, have presented a consistent position: It would be up to the Bible-trained conscience of the individual Christian as to whether he would accept [vaccinations] for himself and his family."
  Awake! 1997-FEB-22. Published by the Watch Tower Society (WTS) as "Revenge of the Microbes"	"In the world's developed countries, new vaccines dramatically decreased the toll of measles, mumps, and German measles. A mass polio vaccination campaign, launched in 1955, was so successful that cases of the disease in Western Europe and North America plummeted from 76,000 in that year to fewer than 1,000 in 1967. Smallpox, a major killer disease, was eradicated worldwide."