Posts by NeverKnew

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Are the suppliers for all WT materials, kingdomhall materials, etc, possibly owned by those in the organization?

by EndofMysteries in

i wonder if the supplying companies for kingdomhall chairs, materials, etc, happen to be owned by ones with ties to the jws?

they'd be making millions!

like the us government, politicans can't just take tax money, but if they own companies that tax money goes to, then that's how you discover the true motives.

NeverKnew

Why not? Charles Taze Russell owned the printing company that printed the materials he wrote and then stated that the WTS itself made no money...

According to page 42 of the 1975 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses, all materials were printed and bound by Russell's privately owned Tower Publishing Company for an agreed price, then distributed by "colporteurs" (persons who travel to sell or publicize Bibles, religious tracts, etc.).

In the January 1891 edition of Zion's Watchtower, Russell stated,

"The Society owns nothing, has nothing, pays no salaries, no rent, or other expenses. Its policy is to use in the work every dollar received, to the best advantage, and as speedily as possible. Its success in publishing and circulating among the right kind of readers, tons of the Old Theology Tracts, is phenomenal alike to its friends and its enemies. The latter imagine that there must be great wealth connected with the concern, whereas really there is very little.--Few of the friends of this cause do, or are able to do, much financially; but what money there is, under economy and the divine blessing, is like the widow's cruse of oil: it accomplishes about a hundred times as much as other Tract Societies, which spend most of their receipts upon salaries."

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Creating the appearance of transparency to mitigate the appearance of impropriety

by NeverKnew in

so, as a non-jw, one of the queries i leverage after taking them to realities within their literature is, "why do the 'worldlies' know this stuff about your religion and you don't?

why didn't they explain the evolution of your doctrines?

" ...and "who really is the faithful and discreet slave and how is the information transmitted again?

NeverKnew

Welcome!

All this transparency is reducing my effectiveness. My knowledge was starting to come off as mystical. I should have known it was too good to last.

Have they introduced new 'truth' with phrases like "this is an adjustment..." in the magazines in the past? The reversal articles I've been exposed to just declared the new 'truth'...

...with no Vaseline.

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Photocopied July 15, 2013 Watchtower Study Editions

by NeverKnew in

so, i visited the kh with friends so i could have, in my possession, the watchtower study edition of the year.. and the kind gentleman at the counter handed me... a darn photocopy!!!!!.

maybe this is the norm... did this happen in other kingdom halls?.

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NeverKnew

I'm so jealous.

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Photocopied July 15, 2013 Watchtower Study Editions

by NeverKnew in

so, i visited the kh with friends so i could have, in my possession, the watchtower study edition of the year.. and the kind gentleman at the counter handed me... a darn photocopy!!!!!.

maybe this is the norm... did this happen in other kingdom halls?.

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NeverKnew

I was there for week one and they were already gone!

Everytime I pull out a piece of paper, nobody will look at it. That's why I needed a real one.

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Why do you think they changed their mind on organ transplants?

by Separation of Powers in

from 1967 to early 1980, the watchtower stated that organ transplants were tantamount to "cannibalism.

" then, suddenly, the position was changed to organ transplants being a "conscience matter.

" so, my question, why the change?

NeverKnew

I'm not going with the GB needing a transplant, nor the "hey, this seems to be working" line..

My vote is: someone who had a ton of money and was donating to the WT needed a transplant.

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Photocopied July 15, 2013 Watchtower Study Editions

by NeverKnew in

so, i visited the kh with friends so i could have, in my possession, the watchtower study edition of the year.. and the kind gentleman at the counter handed me... a darn photocopy!!!!!.

maybe this is the norm... did this happen in other kingdom halls?.

.

NeverKnew

So, I visited the KH with friends so I could have, in my possession, the Watchtower Study Edition of the Year.

And the kind gentleman at the counter handed me... a DARN PHOTOCOPY!!!!!

Maybe this is the norm... Did this happen in other Kingdom Halls?

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Creating the appearance of transparency to mitigate the appearance of impropriety

by NeverKnew in

so, as a non-jw, one of the queries i leverage after taking them to realities within their literature is, "why do the 'worldlies' know this stuff about your religion and you don't?

why didn't they explain the evolution of your doctrines?

" ...and "who really is the faithful and discreet slave and how is the information transmitted again?

NeverKnew

So, as a non-jw, one of the queries I leverage after taking them to realities within their literature is, "why do the 'worldlies' know this stuff about your religion and you don't? Why didn't they explain the evolution of your doctrines?" ...and "who really IS the faithful and discreet slave and HOW is the information transmitted again?"

I was really able to capitalize on "seems to me like they make a statement (Truth A), then reverse it (Truth B) without anyone calling them on it and requiring that they explain the reversal. How do you cope with that?"

Things were so much easier to show the shadiness of the organization back in the old days (a year ago).

In the last few months, the WTS has:

Allowed access to this secret meeting the first week in October (that wasn't so secret last year and as a result may have "stumbled" a few who caught wind of it before the July, 2013 Watchtower)

Openly revealed that old truths had been "adjusted" to new truths

I'm wondering if this "appearance of transparency" trick is really a preemptive attempt to thwart the attacks of the evil Internet god (clearly ruled by Satan).

They are really screwing up my playbooks.

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Do you detect an underlying sadness ?

by Phizzy in

jw
friends

whenever i talk to jw's, and even in some of the jw official videos, i detect a definite vibe of sadness coming off these people.. i am very sensitive to "atmospheres" and to peoples emotional state, you wouldn't think so, because more often than not i do not react to what i detect, i just let people get on with it.. but i do get this feeling that they are sad, probably because very, very, very deep down they realise that it is all false, maybe ?.

NeverKnew

As an outsider, it seems that many I talk to have some semblance of anger just beneath the surface.

Maybe they're just mad at all of my questions.

In private conversations with those I know well, there is a sadness about life challenges they can't seem tof handle.

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Apostles were first governing body????

by NeverKnew in

and paul was not a part of the governing body????

am i hearing this correctly or are these people making things up?.

NeverKnew

And Paul was not a part of the governing body???? Am I hearing this correctly or are these people making things up?

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CD or copied WT article when reverse-witnessing?

by NeverKnew in

so, a couple of weekends ago, i, a non-jw, went to my non-jw cousin's house and lo and behold, two witnesses showed up.

amongst the many random topics, the mediatorship of jesus came up.

i stated, "...now, in your faith, jesus is not your mediator, correct?

NeverKnew

Problem:

I was thinking about saying...

"My jw friends are telling me that the information you gave me wasn't true. They provided me with an article that said Christ is ONLY the mediator for the 144,000. I now feel misled by you."

SURELY she'd check then, wouldn't she?

That'll make 8 JWs I've spoken to who won't come near me. What do I care that they don't like me? It's not my goal to make friends. I have a social network. It's my goal to get someone... ANYone out of this cult.

I just wish my friends could be included.