The symposium talk is literally called "Shun unrepentant wrongdoers" ... Seriously? Blows my mind really, because on the other hand, if you type in disfellowshipping and or shunning into the JW.org site, it says we don't shun, but now there is a talk that point blank says shun? Emotional blackmail at its finest.. This one hit home for me as I will be announced as disfellowshipped here soon.
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69All 2016 Convention videos in English and all Talk outlines for download
by Watchtower-Free inall convention videos in english and all talk outlines for download.
http://avoidjw.org/2016-regional-convention/
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I'm getting disfellowshipped
by raven inhi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. however, she brought up the fact that because i live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, i will be disfellowshipped.. i think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, i live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them.
i'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. at this point i feel so emotionally dead i don't care- on the other hand, i don't want to be disfellowshipped because i do not want to loose a relationship with my mom.
that is the whole reason i tried fading out.. .
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Hi everyone, a bit of an update here on my continuing disaster of a situation.. (refer to my previous posts for the full story) my mom met with me yesterday for dinner, it was nice.. However, she brought up the fact that because I live with my boyfriend and how everything has gone down, I will be disfellowshipped.. I think the elders basically have enough proof of this.. Due to the anonymous tipper (still have no clue who it was, I live in another town 100's of miles away from my old congregation territory), and my mom telling them. I'm not sure when they will announce it, or if they will contact me prior.. At this point I feel so emotionally dead I don't care- On the other hand, I don't want to be disfellowshipped because I do not want to loose a relationship with my mom. That is the whole reason I tried fading out..
Those of you who are Df'd, how does your family treat you? Did your parent(s) ever come around to speaking with you again? I just long to have a good relationship with my mom, but I know in my heart that I do not want to go back to the org.. So that means forever being disfellowshipped. And if that's the case, my life isn't even worth living if I'm being shunned and casted out. My life is so dark and sad right now, its honestly pitiful.
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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?
by raven inso here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.
anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.
and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?
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Anders Anderson, your statement is spot on.. I shouldn't involve my life with ones who are digging to get into it only to out me for my sins.. It's ridiculous. -
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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?
by raven inso here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.
anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.
and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?
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babygirl30, I know what you mean.. I just don't get why my parents would be OBLIGATED.. I would understand if I lived in their home. But I don't. All I wish for is to just be left alone to live my life. I know in my heart I am a good person. I've just essentially told lies to avoid hurting people but Its just unraveled into this mess. -
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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?
by raven inso here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.
anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.
and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?
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Honestly, I want to avoid the elders.. I don't feel that it is their business digging into my information. I haven't been at meetings in 5 months so this isn't something that "affects the congregation" My fade was more of a drop off the face of the planet type when it came to attending meetings. I just stopped going.. And I don't want to willfully give out my private information in a JC... -
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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?
by raven inso here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.
anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.
and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?
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Thank you StephaneLaliberte, I think your advice is worth pondering on.. -
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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?
by raven inso here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.
anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.
and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?
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So here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell I've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. Well, my mom somehow found out that I am currently fading and that I live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) I told her yes I live with him and yes I no longer want to be a JW. Anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. Awkward. And after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the PO came up to her (he was part of my JC when I was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - I cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that I have one week to confess this, and if I don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. What kind of nonsense is that? I'm an adult and not under their roof, so why would they be obligated to explain? Also- it's bugging me because my quiet fade has been RUINED and if I speak with the elders I'll be DFd.. I have no idea who anonymously tipped the elders especially since I live over 100 miles away from the territory now, there's no way anyone would know.. Plus I don't speak with any of the cong. So I'm just confused and not sure what to do. I know for a fact I'm not going back and that I NEED to do what makes me happy.. I wish I was never born into this religion because it's caused me so much greif, lies, confusion, crisis of identity. I could go on, I just wish to be left alone to live and not have to report everything to elders.. They're not the police and I don't feel they're obligated to know anything.. What should I do? Confess to the PO so that I have control of what he knows? Risk being disfellowshipped? Or blow them off and let my mom tell them everything (even though she shouldnt, like I said I don't live under her roof) and then not reply to any of their texts or calls if I'm called into a JC?
Please help me, I'm just an emotional mess..
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Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?
by raven ini've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.
anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?
i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?
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You're all pretty much right about active imagination, it's crazy how our minds can make us believe things that aren't really "out to get us" so to speak. Still makes me wonder though, across the nation they have haunted hotels, or ghost tours, do you think that people get scared at these events because of over active imagination especially when the environment is made out to be "creepy"? -
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Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?
by raven ini've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.
anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?
i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?
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I was always terrified of praying out loud as well because I didn't want Satan or the demons to know what I was confiding in God about.. I do remember before though saying aloud, "Satan are you real?" ..... Nothing happened. hmmph.
Island Man: l do agree with you on the fact that we have been told forever about the spirit realm, especially those who have experienced hallucinations, dark energy, etc. Maybe that is why they thought to preform exorcisms? -
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Today's Text - Brainwash Your Children!
by Divergent inwith the increasing number of young ones leaving "the truth", it is critical to brainwash them regularly from young!.
monday, may 16. the one who has dealings with the stupid will fare badly.—prov.
13:20.. a child could drift away gradually on a spiritually dangerous path, being tempted by harmful association or degrading entertainment.
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No wonder young ones are leaving the borg.. Too much expectations to be this molded people pleasing person designed by parents through brain washing and indoctrination.. It's sad.. No one can truly be themselves. The daily text seemed to basically ask parents to keep their kids on a tight leash.. It's only a matter of time before they break free and escape, ( my exact situation ) .. Sigh, It never felt loving when my parents did that.