XANTHIPPE-
Great point. I am sure there isn't much that will stop it now in present day especially in organizations such as the JW's.. Sad
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by raven ini was thinking this morning in context with the shunning practice- which we all know is a degrading and abusive routine carried out among all brainwashed jw's to those who have sinned/left the org etc.. so with that in mind, how does shunning differ from the silent treatment to jw's?
both are similar in definition... silent treatment.
: an act of completely ignoring a person or thing by resort to silence especially as a means of expressing contempt or disapproval.shun, shunning: persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something) through antipathy or caution.based on jw teachings which i stupidly accepted back when i was asleep and under mind control, i didn't give it two thoughts on how both acts are related.. i do remember an article in a wt which spoke of how the silent treatment is a harsh and abusive form of discipline, but then they twist it back and claim that shunning is a loving provision?
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JW Baptism
by James Mixon inhttp://abc7.com/religion/video-kid-cant-wait-to-be-baptized-/1500814/.
ok folks not a jw.lol but it would add some excitement at the assembly..
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Laughed out loud on the kid dunking himself, pretty funny.
And for the woman jumping into the pool.. WTF? Maybe she got hot..Wanted to swim?
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Shunning vs. Silent Treatment
by raven ini was thinking this morning in context with the shunning practice- which we all know is a degrading and abusive routine carried out among all brainwashed jw's to those who have sinned/left the org etc.. so with that in mind, how does shunning differ from the silent treatment to jw's?
both are similar in definition... silent treatment.
: an act of completely ignoring a person or thing by resort to silence especially as a means of expressing contempt or disapproval.shun, shunning: persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something) through antipathy or caution.based on jw teachings which i stupidly accepted back when i was asleep and under mind control, i didn't give it two thoughts on how both acts are related.. i do remember an article in a wt which spoke of how the silent treatment is a harsh and abusive form of discipline, but then they twist it back and claim that shunning is a loving provision?
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Hey there my good friend, thank you for replying on this thread post. I always appreciate your thoughts! I 100% agree with you here. WT leaders force beliefs on practices and doctrines that what will benefit them, just blows my mind that people in this cooperation don't see the obvious faults and lies, if this was supposedly "God's Organization" we would not see these under the table deals, hidden child sex abuse, and most of all joe schmo men running the whole show claiming to be the chosen ones.. Ridiculous. As for the shunning & silent treatments, they are totally the same practice but JW's will come up with some sort of justification as to why it's OK to shun/give a silent treatment ( same thing lets be honest ) to someone.. Pernicious. Just don't get why they would give a definition as being good and loving to shunning and evil and harsh to silent treatment.. So so dumb.
Looking forward to hearing more about the album Flip. Tell Mrs. Flipper I said hello!
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Shunning vs. Silent Treatment
by raven ini was thinking this morning in context with the shunning practice- which we all know is a degrading and abusive routine carried out among all brainwashed jw's to those who have sinned/left the org etc.. so with that in mind, how does shunning differ from the silent treatment to jw's?
both are similar in definition... silent treatment.
: an act of completely ignoring a person or thing by resort to silence especially as a means of expressing contempt or disapproval.shun, shunning: persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something) through antipathy or caution.based on jw teachings which i stupidly accepted back when i was asleep and under mind control, i didn't give it two thoughts on how both acts are related.. i do remember an article in a wt which spoke of how the silent treatment is a harsh and abusive form of discipline, but then they twist it back and claim that shunning is a loving provision?
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I was thinking this morning in context with the shunning practice- which we all know is a degrading and abusive routine carried out among all brainwashed JW's to those who have sinned/left the org etc.. So with that in mind, how does shunning differ from the silent treatment to JW's? Both are similar in definition..
Silent Treatment. : an act of completely ignoring a person or thing by resort to silence especially as a means of expressing contempt or disapproval.Shun, Shunning: persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something) through antipathy or caution.
Based on JW teachings which I stupidly accepted back when I was asleep and under mind control, I didn't give it two thoughts on how both acts are related.. I do remember an article in a WT which spoke of how the silent treatment is a harsh and abusive form of discipline, but then they twist it back and claim that shunning is a loving provision? What a bunch of hypocrisy. I've attached a link to the silent treatment article on JW . org https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201306/the-silent-treatment/#?insight[search_id]=8db69cee-457d-4f37-89f4-5d73c33b6cff&insight[search_result_index]=0I have grown to hate this organization more and more each day.. Just my 2 cents.
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Our secretly recorded disfellowshipping and 2 year anniversary since leaving on Watchtower Victims Memorial Day!!!
by Christian Gutierrez inhey guys it's been 2 years since leaving and this is how life has gone for us since then.
hope you guys have had a positive experience too!
cheers 😃.
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Judgment Message Training Video Has Been Leaked!
by OneGenTwoGroups inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6dur7ol_8w.
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Creeepy haha
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Music Video: Would Jesus Wear a Rolex on JW Broadcasting? - PARODY
by cappytan inthis took quite a while this evening.
so worth it though.
hope you enjoy!
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Are you sad or angry?
by raven inafter exiting the org, i mean cult, how have each of you felt personally about the lies you had been taught, the hurt from feeling betrayed by these people, actual hopes of once believed false teachings, rose colored lenses of seemingly just and right doctrines that turned out to be a bunch of horse $#!+, the shunning of family and friends?
right now i am going through the motions, i've just moved to a new home, which means hopefully no more elders searching for me at my previous address.. i can't help but feel sad though right now because of the fact that although i am not df'd ( maybe the elders will do it in absentia assuming i've been avoiding them and the 2 jc's they've invited me to as well as the last handwritten letter at my door before i moved ) my mom treats me as though i am dead to her, she says " i am living the life of a disfellowshipped person, and until i come back to jehovah this is how things will be because this was my choice to leave jehovah " ok i get it, but i don't- everyone has free will, so yes this was my choice but it is also her choice to shun me, especially after the "shun unrepentant wrongdoers" talk at the rc, funny how they come out with these talks to reel members back in.. she claims that she has an obligation to jehovah of which she promised to him after she was baptized not at 11, 13, or 17 ( young ages ) but fricken 26 years old.
i absolutely hate this organization and everything that it is, it's taken away my family and most importantly my own mother.. i always thought that a mothers love was to be unconditional, but hers for me is only conditional.
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MUDDYWATERS-
So very sorry about your experience, I had commented on another post basically stating that all though we have different experiences in leaving the cult, we all still have the same connection that lead us to leaving, its very hard to cope with being lied to especially for many many years.. I was too very indoctrinated, mind controlled and brainwashed. A dear friend on this forum related to the members of the organization as people with Stockholm Syndrome.. Being connected and bonded with their captors- pretty much how most active JW's are they will defend this sick and twisted child abusing cooperation.. Awful stuff.
Also the dreams you had are so hurtful.. I always felt like Jehovah wasn't there for me, people would claim to have this amazing relationship with him and I tried so so hard to have that too but I always felt he was just very distant.
XANTHIPPE -Thank you for the encouraging message, I am relieved that this forum is available to vent through and connect with you all, its so nice to be able to be with a group that understands the hurt the org has caused each of us.
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Are you sad or angry?
by raven inafter exiting the org, i mean cult, how have each of you felt personally about the lies you had been taught, the hurt from feeling betrayed by these people, actual hopes of once believed false teachings, rose colored lenses of seemingly just and right doctrines that turned out to be a bunch of horse $#!+, the shunning of family and friends?
right now i am going through the motions, i've just moved to a new home, which means hopefully no more elders searching for me at my previous address.. i can't help but feel sad though right now because of the fact that although i am not df'd ( maybe the elders will do it in absentia assuming i've been avoiding them and the 2 jc's they've invited me to as well as the last handwritten letter at my door before i moved ) my mom treats me as though i am dead to her, she says " i am living the life of a disfellowshipped person, and until i come back to jehovah this is how things will be because this was my choice to leave jehovah " ok i get it, but i don't- everyone has free will, so yes this was my choice but it is also her choice to shun me, especially after the "shun unrepentant wrongdoers" talk at the rc, funny how they come out with these talks to reel members back in.. she claims that she has an obligation to jehovah of which she promised to him after she was baptized not at 11, 13, or 17 ( young ages ) but fricken 26 years old.
i absolutely hate this organization and everything that it is, it's taken away my family and most importantly my own mother.. i always thought that a mothers love was to be unconditional, but hers for me is only conditional.
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NAMELESS-
I am so sorry you're going through this, I can relate.. I agree that it's best for your kids to escape the chains of the cult.. I didn't go to college because the org strongly encouraged to avoid forms of higher education.. Load of crap and I listened. I gave 2 1/2 years to pioneering instead after High School only to get a pat on the back and then interrogated by a JC when I "sinned" - they're eager to use you to count their time and show you off to make them look good but once you screw up they kick you out, or coerce you like an animal to come back in after you've been backstabbed..
GIORDANO-
Thank you for the kind words, I appreciate them a lot. I'll note your comment for when I'm feeling down to take a look at and snap back into reality! Mom is very mind controlled and I suppose it isn't her fault for being this way- its what the org has made her into. So sad.
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Today's Text - You MUST Love Jehovah!
by Divergent inthursday, september 1. you must love jehovah your god.—matt.
22:37.. if you have a loving relationship with jehovah, you will be a ‘doer of the word, not a hearer only.’ (jas.
1:22-25) a “doer” has faith that produces such works as zealous preaching activity and participation in christian meetings.
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I always look forward to your daily text post, you dissect the lies in each sentence perfectly! Thank you for the post, makes ya think deep with these ones!