Posts by BluePill2

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BOE letter: New lights new changes

by pixel in

re: adjustments to draw close to jehovah.

dear brothers:.

some changes involving our understanding of the meaning of gods name and what it re p- resents have been made to the first chapter of draw close to jehovah.

BluePill2

Julia Orwell: They don't care about their people in poor countries. The day they closed the Branches in these countries was the day that the GB showed a big middle finger to these folks. Not that I care. Matter of fact, I rejoiced over the closing down of Branches - I remember the Branch dedication in Nicaragua: the buildings where given to J. and now they are being given to some Government organization or some Hotel owner. Will they make a special "Un-dedicate" assembly? How can they take them back off Jehubers hands and hand them out to a greedy worldly company?

Many elders there could hardly WRITE a proper letter to the Service Department, that is why we had a special meeting room and someone on duty to receive them PERSONALLY, and give them instructions IN PERSON. Now, they where instructed to talk to the CO or write a letter to Mexico. Since the CO is in remote areas and cell phones hardly work there and the next postal office is miles away and works like a old mule with arthritis, I can see that the split and division of congregations and the creation of many "JW-sects" is ongoing as we speak.

The GB LOVES to be in the lime light of importance. THAT is why they make changes, otherwise they would go unnoticed. One GB member that visited us in Nicaragua said: "If the main Bethel cook has a day off, everybody notices, if one of the GB is sick or has a day off nobody notices." Unjokingly he said that in a sad tone, don't know why, but it was creepy to hear (after morning worship was over and we where just a couple of guys hanging around).

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The Governing Body Have Stabbed Many Old Bethelites In The Back By Not Taking Care Of Them In Their Old Age

by frankiespeakin in

these guys are real company men when they have mass lay off of older bethelites tossing them to the curb and making the congregation they are assigned to carry some of the load, so that the watchtower corporation can cut costs of providing for these nolonger young people who have devoted theirs lives to the corporation.. they are heartless bastards aren't they?

i wonder what kind of undercurrent this is causing at headquartes?.

BluePill2

Syme: Fantastic and profound essay on this topic. With few words you have exactly hit the nail. Way to go Bro!!!!

Actually the most apostate thinkers that I've meet during Bethel time where mostly old-timers. People that have the guts to question the higher ups (because they started off at the same time and don't see them with the same eyes as a 20 year old that just arrived from the country side and has not the courage to muster up to an "old wise brother". They are semi-gods to the young generation).

The old-timers are the ones that look at them at eye-level and make the uncomfortable questions...

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Simple life at bethel

by KSFernando in

today watchtower study encourage simple life for pionears.

i am live in a asian country.

the bethel provide luxury facilities for their bethel family.

BluePill2

Tiktaalik: Sounds like someone who knows stuff - exactly how it is. Agree.

Bethel facilities in Central America where for the rich, like gated communities:

- Lush gardens

- Mercedes cars (Nicaragua, Costa Rica)

- Swimming Pools (Dominican Republic)

- AC, Power generators, etc.

For developing countries definitely luxurious Lifestyle.

All in all: Bethel sucks arse.

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No longer a former JW, I am now a Human Being

by AllTimeJeff in

jw
friends

lurkers, debaters, haters, lovers, the lost, the found, and the misplaced.

it's been a while, and i wanted to pop in.

the point isn't to agree.

BluePill2

AllTimeJeff:

Fantastic piece of writing and flow from your heart. Message arrived. I loved your posts years ago (when I was a lurker and your post count was in the lower digits ;-)

Good to see your jorney. Very good thoughts in what you wrote. What I liked the most is that they strip you off your being and WHO you are, not even using your first name. How true. Never thought about that before.

I came this week to the realization that I have to switch my mind, not thinking of me as a Body with a Soul/Being/Higher Self/Quiet Observer but the other way around: We are a Soul using a Body (not meaning this in a religious/spiritual mumbo-jumbo way). Just that quiet observer in the background that is timeless, doesn't feel the pain - just IS. I don't know if you know what I mean, it's just a realization I had.

Thank you for chiming in and writing!

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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

by BluePill2 in

before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

BluePill2

orangefatcat1951: Wow! That was really nice of you to come back here to write on this thread and to console me with such kindness. I didn't knew that this was already on Facebook. As I've said, it isn't my intention to "be famous", matter of fact I don't want nothing to do with my past. I am trying to get as far away as possible from my past, but at the same time I am carrying it around - in my head. My girlfriend notices it that I have to get rid of stuff to move on with Life, otherwise it will destroy me - even physically.

I tried to talk with my former wife about this. We where together. She saw over the years how I came back from Bethel supper and bursted into tears, once I was back in the room, only us and cried nights long. She couldn't understand. It was confusing for her. I tried to tell her that we have to leave this place and she would cry, because of many dear friends (there are really good people among the Witnesses) and because of the shame going back - what would we tell the family that was so proud of us? Back in our home country we where "handed around" as "Stars". Every District Convention we visited arranged for interviews and even one local newspaper reported about us, because of our involvement during Hurricane Mitch. It broke my heart to see her suffer like this, so I carried on - being a shadow of my former self. The day we left Bethel, to go back I knew that our marriage was probably over.

Once back in our home country I tried to tell her more specific stories and events and what I found out during our 10+ years - I dind't even mentioned stuff from the Internet like UN scandal (I hadn't read about it at the time). One day she asked me directly if I didn't believe the Watchtower had the truth and I said: No. Definitely no. She threw up (literally)! Was for hours on the toilet and became sick. I spent the next 5 years trying to convince her of the contrary (and faded). At the end I was emotionally and mentally burned out and during our last year I was distant and apart - eventough our beautiful daughter was little and I loved to see her. That was another thing. For years we didn't even talk about children - Bethel first. Then to the end, as I was fading and the marriage was going through the motions she suddenly had this urgency to get pregnant. I wanted to have children - YEARS AGO. Now I was dead on the inside and plagued with a million demons and bitterness for the injustices that I had seen for years and years.

I started seeing another girl (worldly) and it all just started with talking. I found someone that actually heard what I had to tell. We spent hours on the phone and talking to each other. I was still married and that was one of my great mistakes, it hurts me that I hurted my wife. I am just a human and felt lonely and broken.

Our breakup was messy (and still is). I haven't seen my baby daughter for 2 years now. Have one grainy picture of her. My fault? I feel so. I daily feel the heaviness of my decisions. The decision to disfellowship myself, the decision to start a new relationship, the decision of going to Bethel 17 years ago, the decision of getting baptized...

Many have written lovely PM. I will answer them - especially Andersons as they helped me alot in the past. Also Belbab, a dear and close friend that was there when I most needed it. Thank you!!!!! Thank you!!!! I wish I could do something for you.

I will write more, but understand that I need to be in the "right" mental mood (maybe it is called: pissed ) and have to be careful about what I will write next and how to put it on digital paper without hurting innocents. We are touching sensitive topics here. But I will. Give me please some time.

Belbab: Yes, reality is way stranger than fiction. There where things going on that I couldn't believe myself - if I didn't had to live them. I must say that most "inner circle" Bethelites considered that nobody would believe us if we one day told the truth. Strange, isn't it?

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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

by BluePill2 in

before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

BluePill2

You are all lovely people. I was a bit scared to come out and how this would be received.

I just got a PM from one of you that - BINGO - knows who I am. That person showed an incredible loving spirit when I was at Bethel and losing my mind. He was already one of the old timers at this board and went way and beyond to help me. I will never forget dear and true friend (you know who I mean, just sent you a PM back).

Wow. This actually does feel good!

Good night everybody. Time to shut off this machine. I will be scribbling some notes about the next installment...don't know where to start, there is so much going on in my mind. Thank you all!!!

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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

by BluePill2 in

before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

BluePill2

OnTheWayOut: it is quite interesting to know that EVERYTHING this Organization does is for self-survival - no matter the human cost, no matter if they have to throw their own grandmother under the wheels. Really. EVERY.SINGLE.ACTION was self-centered and egoistical. The ORG is everything.

We had one visit from a Zone Overseer and they had a big, heated discussion with the Branch Committee and at one moment he actually screamed: "I don't care if it's in the Bible, if it's here [holding a Watchtower magazine up] than that is what we will follow."

I've seen many of these "characters" come and go over the years, talked with two writers from the Writing department and they are in to do whatever keeps this monster breathing. Sometimes without any reason or logic. Just "because" or something. It turns holy men into hellish people.

Oubliette: PM answered. :)

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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

by BluePill2 in

before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

BluePill2

Rosesinbloom:

I am going to answer with all love and best intentions. As I've said, I have become an atheist and don't think about this as "Jehovahs people", but I will answer as best as I can and just why I left that possibility behind.

As it seems Jehovah has a very bad track record in managing people or other beings. Let's see:

First human couple: Perfect, healthy, beautiful bodies, absolutely no problems, PARADISE and yet they have chosen freedom / exercising of free will over all of this! You could argue that they have been "tricked" - one cheap ass trick with a talking animal, but lets leave that one aside. It took Satan exactly 3 sentences to change her mind. ONE question and two more sentences and she changed her mind: yup, God is a liar, let's go for this. Genesis 1:31 says it was "very good" - so it got Gods highest stamp of approval. No faults here and yet Eve is either incredibly dumb or this Paradise wasn't good at all or the story is just fishy. Anyway, move on.

Whole hordes of Angels go rogue! His "people": several times - the Bible is basically a full blown account on how God assembles people, tries to manage them and loses them to the most stupid things - people made a golden calf, basically minutes after seeing miracles. Jesus: the same. Very bad track record at managing people.

It seems that Satan is scoring much better (at least according to HIS mission goal).

And now you are saying that his people are corrupt and need a good beating. I am asking you: Why does everybody go corrupt - from perfect angels, perfect Ken & Barbie couple to everybody else down to this day? Even the Governing Body reigning in the last days goes corrupt?

Makes you think, doesn't it? God must be the worst people manager ever. Or...

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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

by BluePill2 in

before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

BluePill2

Now a few, more specific answers:

clarity: unfortunately they make woman feel like "zeros" and yet they are the ones that contribute the most to the sales activities and much more!

mind blown: I have thought about this, maybe one day I will. Let's see how this writing turns out. It is a first experience for me.

Podobear: Selters ALWAYS sends chills down my spine. I had to go there a couple of times because of the Admin2000 Database and that place is creepy as f***. Germans and High control cults are a bad combination. Not meant to insult anybody of German ancestry, just saying. There was a running joke in Selters that went like: "An American Witness and a German Witness visit a Assembly and find a pin (pinhead) sticking up from their seat. What do they do? The American sweeps it away, the German Brother sits on it and asks the Governing Body: should I sit on more?" This joke was being told by Germans in a tone of pride for their total obedience to the GB (most of them where proud that so many activities where moved and concentrated into one monster operation in Germany - some even hinting that it must be because Jehovah is so more pleased with them) and sometimes this was told with a critical tone because of said obedience. Depending who told you the joke.

By the way I think to remember Ernie Reid, can't remember Phil Rees.

PaintedToeNail:

LoisLane: You are a good person. Thank you, right now I think that I am doing OK. Flipper and some others have helped me a lot in the past (some of the older members here, when I started visiting this board like 7 years ago)

Problemaddict: Clarifying on your question. Yes, he was caught again with some sex related problem. That second ocurrence was totally hushed up and I could never get my hands on the details! I close lid was put on the case, but it must have been bad enough to keep total - and I mean: absolute secrecy. I have no doubt that he was a sick pervert that couldn't stop, but I might be wrong and it was something else. The Branch Committee made sure that nobody knew why he was axed. They moved him away into one of the congregations in Managua.

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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

by BluePill2 in

before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

BluePill2

Thank you all for your comments and loving support! Sometimes I don't know how I managed to come out of this with some amount of sanity, really.

I will answer the pm's that I received one by one, as soon as I am able to.

Writing this was mentally strenuous and somewhat stressful. I have to "relive" the experiences in order to put things in the right order and since I had put all these things far into the back of my mind, now it feels strange to think about them again. Some of you might ask, why doing it then? It's kind of a healing process. I have the feeling that I can't move on with my Life if all this is bothering me at sub-conscious level. Many people around me have told me that I have to "unload" the emotional baggage (including my girlfriend that lives with me and see's how all these traumatic things are nagging and eating me from the inside).

It is not easy to write this up (and believe me, this was not the worst story I will write!), for various reasons: first I don't want to hurt people that are on the inside and still active that have their own doubts, but have not decided to come out of the closet. I think they have to make their own decision at their own pace and some of the events that I will describe could identify some persons. It isn't too difficult to figure things out, this is a small world - I already have pm's from people that know persons described in this installment, even one person on this board that know's me personally! Since I am using specific places, dates, events it isn't very difficult and I don't know what consequences this could have.

I also have to write in a candid, factual way - I don't want hate to interfere or cloud the true account. I have to separate the two and just report "as is". No exagerations, inflating or adding or leaving out details. So it is a "walk on egg shells", but nonetheless I will continue to write - it does help to "clean up" and finally leave things behind.

Because of my decision to become free I had to pay (like most of you) a very high price (family, financially, emotionally) and my Life took another strong turn after this, and yet I see the perpetrators going merrily their way, smiling and happily changing things that they condomned in the past to suit their own interests and I see that my Life was f***** because of them and I don't see why they don't have to also pay a price. If "Karma" is too slow, I will gladly help out.

If this makes their rounds (and it will!) some people should better be sh****** their pants because of the things I will reveal. I have NOTHING to lose and you know the saying: "Never contend with a man that has nothing to lose."